Lyman 311359 in .30 carbine?

Rally

NC Minnesota
I bought several Lyman moulds in a package deal, most of which are going elsewhere. One of the reasons I bought them , is a 4 cavity 311359 , I hoped to be using in a .30 carbine project I’ve had on the back burner for many years. Anyone tried it? Plenty of data in the Lyman Cast Bullet manual, listing it for the .30 carbine. I’m kind of wondering how the spire point will do on the feed ramp.IMG_3221.jpeg
 

Rick

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I was working with 311008 in the Blackhawk 30 carbine. Was starting to show promise when moving out of state got in the way. Sadly, never did get back to that.
 

Rally

NC Minnesota
I hear you Rick, I inherited this carbine from my wife’s Grandfather, which came with 1/2 can of ammo in speed clips. It’s an IBM throughout, and suppose to be fairly rare, next to the Singer. So, I have just kept it around as a keepsake, thought highly of him. Not my cup of tea, so easy to put away, for extended period. I’ve picked up dies, several moulds, and plenty of brass over the years, so thought maybe it’s time. I’ve been working with my puppy, trying to get her some ground time, must have run them too hard today!
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fiver

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they do fine in my springfield.
my issue is they ain't 311 more like ooomph through the size die and then a push rod so i don't mush the pointy part down.... unless you want the pointy part pushed down.
 

Rally

NC Minnesota
they do fine in my springfield.
my issue is they ain't 311 more like ooomph through the size die and then a push rod so i don't mush the pointy part down.... unless you want the pointy part pushed down.
That was another worry, not sure yet what the bullets drop at. In this purchase, I also got a 311116 four cavity, but again, I don’t know what they drop at either. I think I have a top punch that will work.
Thanks for the replies.
 
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BBerguson

Official Pennsyltuckian
I bought that mold for my son’s 30carbine, It functions as well as any “factory” rounds we’ve fired in it.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I've got a couple M1's here and both the 311316 and 311359. I bought the 359, originally designed for the 32-20, because the 311316 was too harsh on squirrels. I'd like to make the 316 work in the Carbine, just haven't got around to finding time to pay with it. In the end, if it won't hold under 2" at 75-100 yards it's not going to work for me. I don't hear about a lot of 2" at 100 M1 Carbines even with jacketed!
 

Bisley

Active Member
I recall loading Lyman 311008 in a .30 Carbine, over 10 grains 2400. This was 35-odd years ago, and Dad and I agreed that for rocks and stumps at the abandoned Jonesville coal mine outside of Sutton, it was sufficient. While I never put it across a chronograph or measured groups, it fit, fed, fired and functioned reliably from 15 and 30 round magazines. Cases were easy to find afterwards. It don't recall ay leading. Unsized from the mold (Call it .313 inch), cast of whatever was left in the pot, dipped in RCBS liquid lube, over a homemade lube of alox/beeswax and some paraffin pressed into the case mouth. No crimp, and the cases did not bulge either. YMMV.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
I don't hear about a lot of 2" at 100 M1 Carbines even with jacketed!
Back in the 1980's DCM used to hold M1 Carbine matches and supplied the ammo for $.02 a round. We shot them as warmups for the Hi-Power rifle matches. Very few issued Carbines would hold 4 inches at 100 yards, but you could modify them to hold 3 inches which was good enough for the 200 yard targets shot at 100 yards. FWIW
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
The M1 Carbine might not have stellar accuracy, but they are a ton of fun to shoot. With the price of primers and powder these days a plinking rifle becomes a luxury item for many, though.

Years ago I had a USGI M1 Carbine, a Rock-Ola. It was very reliable, and I only fed it j-words. Accuracy was casual--about 4" at 100 yards with the open-based FMJs. Soft-points like the Sierra RN would shrink groups to about 3", so if a lever rifle accuracy standard works for you then all will be well.

While I lived in Ridgecrest I owned a Marlin Model 62 lever rifle in 30 U.S. Carbine. It was a nice little rifle, and was an honest 2.5"-3.0" rifle with open-base FMJRNs. The Sierra 110 SPs would run 2"-2.5" at 100 yards. This one got some Lee Soup Cans and #311316s sized at .311", and these castings kept right up with the J-words in terms of accuracy and velocity. About 8 years ago a collector made me an obscene cash offer I could not refuse for the rifle; with kids still in college I bit the bullet and sold it. This one I miss, but in 2004 I snagged a Marlin 1894CCL in 32/20 that does as well--and in the same performance ballpark.

One firearm in 30 Carbine that I am VERY FOND OF is the Ruger Blackhawk in 30 Carbine. These are at least as accurate at 25-100 yards as the GI Carbines, in my experience. I have had 3 of them, and got talked out of the first two for long dollars--these critters can SHOOT. There is something very attractive about the terrific report/mild recoil combination in a sidearm that appeals to folks. Marie LOVES blasting away with the 30 BH and the 327 Federal SP-101 x 4". If enough people tried out that "30 Super Carry" pistol, the caliber might get traction--esp. if some intrinsic accuracy came along for a ride.

My current Carbine BH is about 10 years old--its throats all run .308"+ and will not pass a .309" pin gauge. The bore & groove spec is .300" x .308". It almost as accurate as my S&W Model 16-4 to 100 yards. It likes everything--cast, jacketed, even the Speer half-jacket Plinkers.

In the past some folks have had trouble with the Carbine BHs chambering reloaded brass fired in carbines with their generous chambers. I have not had this problem; I resize my brass in a steel RCBS sizing die. Also, some Carbine BHs have ignition issues with some primers; again, this is outside my experience but a remedy for some has been to run 32/20 WCF brass into 30 Carbine sizing dies and trim to 1.285" length. This provides a rimmed case and more positive headspacing for lighting off harder primers like in USGI milsurp ammo.

Last but not least--Remington #6-1/2 primers were purpose-designed for rifle cartridges like 218 Bee, 22 Hornet, 25/20, 32/20, and 30 U.S. Carbine. With the components droughts we have dealt with for two decades plus, I have pressed CCI Small Pistol Magnum (#550) primers into service for this niche. They seem to do the right things in 22 Hornet and 32/20.
 
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Rick

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The 32/20 rimmed brass is what I was using in the BH 30 Carbine. Not for any other reason than I liked the idea of rimmed brass instead of head spacing on the case mouth.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
My idea was a very light, semi-auto 32-20 tractor gun. My scoped Savage 23 32-20 will hold well under 2" at 100 with several loads, but that's not a rifle I want to subject to riding around on a tractor. Maybe I'm asking too much of the M-1's but there are 3 or 4 here I can try.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
My idea was a very light, semi-auto 32-20 tractor gun. My scoped Savage 23 32-20 will hold well under 2" at 100 with several loads, but that's not a rifle I want to subject to riding around on a tractor. Maybe I'm asking too much of the M-1's but there are 3 or 4 here I can try.
The three things you can try are: find an M2 stock and glass bed the recoil plate, glass bed in front of the gas port and using a automotive gasket material shim up the stock under the barrel band to a just snug fit.
 

fiver

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before i started bouncing an M-1 around on a tractor i'd give them a price check.
you might wanna go ahead and break out the Savage.
 

CZ93X62

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The 32/20 rimmed brass is what I was using in the BH 30 Carbine. Not for any other reason than I liked the idea of rimmed brass instead of head spacing on the case mouth.
I hear ya, sir. This same quirk put me off of the 357 SIG.
 

beagle

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The 311359 shoots great in the carbine. I sized mine .310. You might look at the articles on castpics. I ran one through it's paces some years back and wrote an article. The HP version is even better./beagle