Lyman 358430

[35 Whelen]

Just picked up this nice little mould. Should be fun loading for the .358 Win. The mould is stamped Lyman 358430 AV....anyone have any idea what the AV stands for. Haven't found anything on the net about the additional stamping. Here's a couple of pics. Hoping to make this a nice 200 grn plinking round and maybe a coyote or two. Any comments on recommended loads or experience with this mould is appreciated. Picked it up for a very reasonable $25 w/o handles. Brand spanking new, with packing oil/grease making such a tight seal of the two halves, I wondered if it was going to come apart.

 

[waco]

This may or may not help..
www.castpics.net/subsite2/Classics/Lyman%20Mold%20Number%20FAQ.pdf

 

[RicinYakima]

Went to the site listed, and "Floodgate's" answers are correct except that "S" stands for "size" as it was but from a fresh cherry and will be oversized, something not liked by most casters 30 years ago.

 

[RicinYakima]

I used this for the plinking bullet in 35 Whelen and 358 Norma until I had one made to my spec's by Mountain Molds. They worked just great at 1100 f/s.

 

[S Mac]

I have a single cavity hp version, haven't worked with it much yet. I will use it in 35 Whelen.

 

[35 Whelen]

Thanks Waco and Ric......Ric...do you recall what your load data was for 1100 fps?......I think this is going to be a fun fool around with bullet.

 

[RicinYakima]

My best was 8.0 grains of Bullseye, no wads, fillers or other nonsense. For off hand practice I would hold the rifle at "port arms" and that put the powder at the back of the case when shouldered. Next best load, for 1350 f/s, was 12 grains of Unique.

 

[35 Whelen]

Thanks Ric....

 

[KeithB]

I believe the letter markings designated who made the cherry.

 

[Bret4207]

IIRC that mould came it two weights, 150 and 200 gr. It was, more or less, a copy of the "Super Police" bullet for the 38 S+W and 38 Special. I have a 200 gr example but can't recall specifics about it. My intention was for use in the 38's in duplicating the Super Police load which got good press back in the day.

The only thing I ever found to be consistent with the markings on Lymans was the "U" marking which almost always meant "undersize". Others may have spent a lot more time researching what they meant for their moulds.

 

[Kevin Stenberg]

A good find at a good price!

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

I have a single cavity hp version, haven't worked with it much yet. I will use it in 35 Whelen.

. Im thinking I want one of these myself!!

358430 HP

Do ya know who might make such a thing?

Found this on Night Owl

Is it about the same??



CW

 

[CZ93X62]

The Lyman #358430 (195 grain variant) was among the first moulds I obtained when I fell down this rabbit hole in 1981. The only rifle work I have given it was as a paper-patched core for my 9.3 x 62 bolt rifle, launched ahead of 20.0 grains of 2400. 50 of these came with me to an NCBS meeting in (I think) 2004, and many were expended at some uber-heavy laser-cut iron "couch pillows" that IIRC Bruce B had made locally in Winnemucca. These were about 8" x 8" x 3", and were set at 50 and 100 yards. With the open irons, I kept the cushions THWOCKING nicely. They didn't move much, though.

The rest of my work with this bullet has been done in 38 Special, 357 Magnum, and a few in 38 S&W. It is SUPERBLY ACCURATE, but when fired at slower speeds in 38 S&W and 38 Special (700 FPS or less) it has obviously tumbled in jackrabbits I have shot with the bullet. When launched at higher speeds (900-1200 FPS), it drills straight through but still dispatches critters decisively. I would very happily hunt deer with it, using a Bruce B Soft Point casting from rifle or revolver. A 357 Magnum carbine or revolver becomes a very different and more capable game-taker once bullet weights exceed 170-180 grains. The caliber really comes into its own.

 

[S Mac]

Looks very similar CW.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

I'd love to find a mold. Nice to try some I can find somebody who has a mold.

CW

 

[JWFilips]

You got a deal on that mould ....Nice one!
Plinking and Low Node Target work ....6 to 7 grains American Select ( or Green Dot)

 

[twodot]

I put an aluminum diaper on some to try in a .356 Win.

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[CZ93X62]

Looking at the 38 S&W cartridge photo......the ones I loaded were seated more shallowly, and crimped into the center lube groove. The 38/200 bullet I replaced this process with (NEI #169A) seats in similar manner, with a long nose portion exposed outside the case and more powder space in that bitty case. #169A is .810" long, and the case it seats into is .775" long. Weird, but it works. From the S&W M&P and the DAO Webley-Enfield, I can easily keep the bullets ringing steel silhouettes (IPSC "coffin"-sized) at 25 yards, and most of them hit a similar ringer at 50 yards. All D/A, both sidearms. That 169A is people-accurate for some distance, but given its start speed of 650-675 FPS it might just raise a large welt. The late Bruce Bannister DID NOT LIKE the 38/200. RCMP and provincial police agencies used the caliber and the service arms that chambered it well into the 1960s, and tales of its unsatisfactory performance were legion. He wondered aloud why I and others messed around with it. Me, in response--"Like Everest, because it is THERE." He smiled and shook his head.

 

[RicinYakima]

It's (38/200) problem has always been lack of penetration. Remember the folks that wanted it had been in combat in1890's and prior to WW1. They had been shooting at natives in cotton shirts and / or naked at less than 25 feet. During WW2 the Axis, especially German, troops wore winter clothes with leather field equipment. It is the mirror opposite of JHP bullets; without penetration you have nothing. IMHO

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

I was able to get this mold. It actually areived last night.

It sure would not seem that penetration would not be the issue with this bullet in orig loadings. As a matter of fact the gentleman who sold it to me was quite thorough in his testing and use and consistently fod 30" of penetration at the vel.



Not really anything in that for me. Ill be launching it well north of those velocities.