Need a die favor ...... Sort of .

RBHarter

RBHarter

West Central AR
Stupid Arisakas .......

I need to know what we get for a neck ID with the expander out of assorted 8mm dies . So if you're bored maybe you could run a case or 2 for me ?

I need about a .317 and I've ruined/worn out enough brass sizing to cartridge and back up to needed sizes with a couple of others . I have RCBS undersized expanders to swap out , I've made a Lee expander for 308 to get them up to .310 . I think the existing Hornady dies are CH so I could probably get an appropriate expander there .

There's a guy over there that would probably make a neck bushing and of course Bruce Frechett for bullet sizers , but for now I'd like to just have a neck die .
 
CZ93X62

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
RCBS F/L die (1986), expander ball mics .321", W-W brass ends up at about .3205". years ago, I had Buckshot make me a Lyman-type M-die spud at .324" x .328", that produces .323"+ case mouth for my .325" Lee 175 grain bullets.
 
RBHarter

RBHarter

West Central AR
What's the OD without the expander ? I did some math . I need .344 OD on the neck . I need to get the ID to .316-.3175 .

Jammed the paper patch comes out a fat .319 short of .320 . Its tight though so I should probably be sizing .3185 or close to it for naked cast and after the getting to know Suki I'll get the paper down that far too .
 
Brad

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
This is where the bushing type dies are so nice. Change bushing and get the internal diameter you want.
 
RBHarter

RBHarter

West Central AR
A guy on the other site made one for the 6.5 , actually 3 and a body . The problem then was that the bushings skipped over what I needed . I don't know , 303 to 8mm might work out better with a few of the old .318 7.92x57s still around .
 
CZ93X62

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
RBH--was that .344" diameter question directed at me? if so, I can do some pin-gauging or some test-sizing as needed. Let me know.
 
RBHarter

RBHarter

West Central AR
I need a .344 max neck dia which should get me a .316-.318 ID give or take for actual neck thickness .
 
CZ93X62

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
OK--I'll try to get this done tomorrow, it's a day of meetings and appointments. My Tuesdays are kinda full.
 
RBHarter

RBHarter

West Central AR
Yeah ......I just hate the idea of spending more for a die than I paid for the gun ...... Which I probably ended up with on the 6.5 anyway .....

I'm at an impasse of sorts . What is really needed is a size die suitable for an 7.92×57 I not an IS (commonly J and JS for infantry and infantry spitzer) and it's accompanying .318 groove . I looked at several yesterday , 8mm Mauser die sets can be had for as little as $19.95 and they want $65-90 for the body it's 116-165 for a 3 bushing kit . I want to do it right but I don't know that I want to do it that right for a $140 rifle that may not ever have or again shoot 2" . I have a spare Savage barrel I can have set back and threaded for it in something clever like a 300 Savage with an 06' neck so I have a no trim case form from 308 or just ream back to 06' or even 308 .......I do have a 270 Win Win M70 take off that would work an a set of 270 dies and I have a take Mauser 98 barrel in 7mm dies and a reamer for 280 . I could even send it out to become a 9×57 or 35 Whelen , if it fails I still have choices .

I'd rather just try the cheap way first , no sense buying an oil pump and a pan set when an $8 mechanical oil pressure gauge will fix the oil pressure light .
 
JWFilips

JWFilips

Well-Known Member
RB,
When you play with Milsurps you got to be creative!:)
I have a German 98 Mauser which needs .333 bullets
My Jap Mod 38 is in reality a .277 bullet
My Spanish 1917 is a .297 Bullet
Many of the sizing dies I made out of hunks of steel With the proper hole and a method of pushing the bullet through adapted for each!
But you know what? They are very close to being target rifles now! Just takes a "S" load of patience!
When I get them to shoot I never resize the brass! Just make sure the bullet seats itself when the bolt is closed!
 
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Joshua

Joshua

Taco Aficionado/Salish Sea Pirate/Part-Time Dragon
How about a Lyman/Ideal Resizer, in 7.7 Jap.

The neck measures .331”. A file will just cut this steel. A micro carbide boring bar could open it up to .344”.

The con with this die is you would be resizing the lower bulge also.

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M

Mowgli Terry

Active Member
I ordered expander plugs from NOE. I was dealing with cast bullets in 308's. NOE expander plugs go into a Lee Universal Expanding die. Works great. Check these expander plugs on the NOE website.

I had to deal with expander ball problems in RCBS dies. Called RCBS explaining problem. RCBS sent the entire stem assembly with the expander ball needed.
 
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RBHarter

RBHarter

West Central AR
I'm hoping I don't have to be too creative . I revisited some specs , the 325 WSM may be in the running as a neck die ....... I've located reamers for the neck donut so that should help some with final size .

With the .002 step from lead to groove and another .002 throat step I don't know a PP is going to be stable at neck ID .

JW I have no doubt I can get it down to an Arkie deer rifle , no offense intended . There's no need for either rifle to be much more than a 2 MOA 200 yd rifle . If I need a rifle of that caliber there are several available in 25-06' , 30-06' , or 264 WM fitted 3-9&4-12 optics .
 
RBHarter

RBHarter

West Central AR
I have this CH neck die coming to me from GMSharps over there .

"I neck sized a piece of we 8mm brass without the expander stem and the Inside diameter was .307 and the outside diameter was .340. With the expander stem the inside dia was .318 and the outside was .346 ."

With the also secured .313 reamer to cut the big hunks off the body/shoulder rammed up to be neck I should be able to get what I need for neck dia . With the expander ball over sized (maybe) I can reduce it (maybe) , or if push comes to shove buy the needed ball from CH .(Which I could have done in the first place .)

It looks like I'll be using neck thickness to control the ID regardless of die dimensions .

I haven't measured much brass for actual neck sizes from the die but it sure seems like a cartridge that needs a finished ID of .318-.320 with a maximum OD of .357 would push a neck all the way down to .340 × .307 . I guess thats only about .017 and .008ish on each side .

I guess it shouldn't be a surprise to me the 257 R , 25-06 and 6.5-257 AI are all neck compatible sizers ...... At this point i wouldn't be surprised if 270&280 weren't the same die with a different expander ball ........ So much for the perception of precision tooling .

Cost cutting right ?
 
RBHarter

RBHarter

West Central AR
Ian I looked at that on Titan . It is very specific about being designed for the JS and it's .323 dia vs the .318 J/I version .

The precision bushing dies were weighed in heavily weighted . But I just couldn't make myself buy a die and bushings with a price tag almost as much as I paid for the rifle . If it were a custom like say a 7-30 Waters rimless in a polished Carlo walnut stock that shot sub MOA in spite of it's .288 groove .....yeah . I'm working with a laminated nailed stock type 99 chopped at 22" with screwed on Williams sights I gave $100 for because it came with SKS ,250 rounds of X39 for $280 and I knew both of them from a past deal that I passed on in the trunk of a sheriff deputy's patrol car ....... Sort of a story of its own .
Short version I don't do new brass any more often than I have too , and I want to have at least one full power game load . I needed a tool that doesn't move the neck in and out .1 every cycle without spending more than the rifle is worth .
 
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