RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
US Ordnance has always looked for ways to solve the last war's problems. They never seems to understand that you need the correct weapon for today's problem.
The reality is, with few exceptions, we are/were led by those who couldn't, wouldn't, or were too afraid to do the job and who did anything possible to get their sorry butts out of scout cars and into those cubicles where they spent the rest of their careers looking down their noses at those who did the work they couldn't/wouldn't do.I were concerned, that was a net gain--listening to most Chief Deputies, Captains, and Lieutenants bloviate around an office table was only slightly more pleasant than watching "Lawrence Welk" with my great-aunts and grandmothers as a child.
But chasing calls and making traffic stops is scary. Sitting around telling nice safe people what to do and how to do it is much more fun.The reality is, with few exceptions, we are/were led by those who couldn't, wouldn't, or were too afraid to do the job and who did anything possible to get their sorry butts out of scout cars and into those cubicles where they spent the rest of their careers looking down their noses at those who did the work they couldn't/wouldn't do.
I was referring to the ballistics.No, a normal rim as found on all revolver cartridges except the AR. The AR rim is thick to simulate the distance from the forward edge of the extraction groove to the back of the primer. Or maybe better said as dimension from th leading edge of the moon clip to the back end of the primer..So,, a long 45 Cowboy Special or a short 45 S&W.
I am not sure why they did not choose to evaluate revolvers chambered for the 45 S&W? Functioning ammunition was available and had proven itself on the battle fields.
Kevin
We had/have them too. Generally identified as "carpet walkers" who tell "real stories of the hallway patrol". The people who had 11 months on the road before getting assigned to the Academy and then to HQ for the rest of their career.But chasing calls and making traffic stops is scary. Sitting around telling nice safe people what to do and how to do it is much more fun.
Some time ago I read a piece written by Eugene Stoner about the development t of the AR rifles and round by Armalite. He said the 222 Remington Mag, came out after the 223 was developed and the rifle designed around it. He went on to say, that if the 222 Rem Mag was available earlier, the 223 would never have been born.The ways of the Ordnance Bureau are deep and mysterious. Inscrutable. Enigmatic. There was a 222 Rem and a 222 Rem Magnum, but the Ordies opted for the 223 Rem/5.56 x 45. All this, right after getting Western Europe standardized on the 7.62 x 51 via NATO STANAG.
That may be the case, Charles--I think Mr. Stoner was a lot closer to the real story than were my sources (gunwriters of the era) who presented the order of birthing in both variations in print. Logic and/or common sense may or may not figure highly in the course of events.Some time ago I read a piece written by Eugene Stoner about the development t of the AR rifles and round by Armalite. He said the 222 Remington Mag, came out after the 223 was developed and the rifle designed around it. He went on to say, that if the 222 Rem Mag was available earlier, the 223 would never have been born.
To be more precise, the AR rifle and 223 round were fully developed but not quite yet on the market, when the 222 Mag was released. Armalite didn't go back and reengineer around the recently introduced 222 Mag.That may be the case, Charles--I think Mr. Stoner was a lot closer to the real story than were my sources (gunwriters of the era) who presented the order of birthing in both variations in print. Logic and/or common sense may or may not figure highly in the course of events.
And Fiver thinks he is a thread swerver.......
The book, The Black Rifle, says that Remington designed the 222 Mag to meet the Ordnance spec's at SAAMI pressures. They were unhappy with the short neck of the Mag and came up with the 223 but raised the pressure with non-canister IMR powder. Military had no interest in a .308 AR, but the USAF wanted to replace the M1 carbine with something better that became the AR15.To be more precise, the AR rifle and 223 round were fully developed but not quite yet on the market, when the 222 Mag was released. Armalite didn't go back and reengineer around the recently introduced 222 Mag.