New rifle

[david s]

With regards to the CZ 452's and 455 rifles, if you use a standard 22 caliber cleaning rod there is more than a little chance the rod is going to drag across the rifle's ejector scratching the rod. The ejector is the sliver U shaped piece of steel that goes around the magazine well cutout in the action and is screwed on. This will occur even if a bore guide is used. Coated 22 rods tend to get peeled. Use a 17-caliber rod and you won't ride over the ejector. Patched jags may not willingly go down the bore, but this depends about as much on the cloth patches thickness as it does on the jag itself. Three CZ bore guides a Possum Hollow and one an M Werks and one a custom aluminum guide. There all for 17 caliber cleaning rods.

 

[Tomme boy]

I found my .17cal rod last night. I forgot I had one. I had a 17 rem years ago. Now to find the adapter to use the larger cleaning tips.

 

[L Ross]

I havea Possum Hollow bore guide for my Bergara.

 

[Tomme boy]

I got the rifle finally on Friday morning. My dealer had a hard time getting set up with Colt to be able to get one. After a week and a half of them not answering emails or returning calls they ended up ordering it from Zanders just to get one here for me. Colt still this whole time is not helping to fix their end of the problem.

Anyway. I took it out today to sight in the scope on it. After the 5th shot I had it exactly on at 75yds. I was hitting the golf balls that were laying on the berm with every shot. I did not put it on paper but it was shooting very well for what I want out of it. That 24" barrel makes it very quiet for a 22rf. Only downfall is the one 5rd mag it comes with.

I tried Federal Automatch and Aguila 38gr copper plated hp. I also shot the caps off of a couple pop bottles. Had a fun day just shooting 22's I brought my Ruger American rimfire, Ruger Wrangler and Super Wrangler, Marlin model 60, and a Remington model 12 pump. It was nice not having to chase down brass or worrying if someone is going to steal your brass as your back is turned.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

Good stuff, Tommi! I have become re-smitten with the 22 long rifle. I went to the range yesterday with my buddies Anshutz 64 and my Marlin 880 sq. I've been playing with a bullet RE-resizing die and a rim thickness gauge. And man, old man does it make a difference!!!

AUTO MATCH BEFORE.

ANSHUTZ;


Marlin BEFORE;


Anshutz AFTER:


Marlin AFTER


Aside from that one bullet in the Marlin reformed target groups were cut in half!! it was a fairly windy day on the same range that I had that atrocious 22 target video so I'm blaming those swirling wins for that flyer. CW

 

[Gary]

Gonna have to re-acquaint myself with the "flat pointing" die I made for .22 LR ammo; it works somewhat but I only tried it on Rem Golden cartridges. I have some CCI standard velocity target and TAC 22 that my Bergara B 14R likes real well and I'll try some flat pointing with those,
I have a CZ 452 Trainer that I'd sell if anyone is interested.

 

[Petrol & Powder]

The flat pointing process swages the bullet to a slightly larger diameter, and that is where gains in consistency (accuracy) are found. Consistent rim thickness also helps to weed out the flyers. Both of those methods will show better results with cheap ammo than with high quality target ammunition because there’s more room for improvement at the lower grades.

I don’t think Neal Waltz is still making his excellent flat point dies. There may be a void in the market for someone to fill with a similar product. Perhaps someone on this forum will step up and offer a die similar to Mr. Waltz’s fine example.

I haven’t seen a Neil Jones rim thickness gauge in years but they are beautifully simple devices.

 

[Glaciers]

I am not familiar with these dies, are they similar to Poco Kelly’s Accuriser (?)
I’m not familiar with Poco’s tool either, so…

 

[Petrol & Powder]

The Neal Waltz die is a custom die to flat point (or hollow point) a .22LR cartridge.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

The flat pointing process swages the bullet to a slightly larger diameter, and that is where gains in consistency (accuracy) are found. Consistent rim thickness also helps to weed out the flyers. Both of those methods will show better results with cheap ammo than with high quality target ammunition because there’s more room for improvement at the lower grades.

I don’t think Neal Waltz is still making his excellent flat point dies. There may be a void in the market for someone to fill with a similar product. Perhaps someone on this forum will step up and offer a die similar to Mr. Waltz’s fine example.

I haven’t seen a Neil Jones rim thickness gauge in years but they are beautifully simple devices.

Actually they ARE still made.. but are costing 200$ now...

I just got email that they are in production and with pmt should ship in May.

A bit rich esp since the 50$ die I already have is working well!

CW

 

[Petrol & Powder]

Actually they ARE still made.. but are costing 200$ now...

I just got email that they are in production and with pmt should ship in May.

A bit rich esp since the 50$ die I already have is working well!

CW

That cost is a factor but I understand the work & materials that go into that product.
It is a one time purchase and a handy tool to make flat point .22 LR ammo (something that has true value in small game hunting)

Perhaps one of our talented machinists could offer some competition?

 

[Gary]

I doubt Brad has that much spare time. Although they are pretty easy to make if you have the right end mills and drill bits.
I bought a stick (4' long) of 3/4 x14 to make one off's of slightly larger sizing dies sometime back and they work well.
Used to be Keith sold blanks that could be finished but I'm not sure he still does.

 

[Winelover]

Remington used to offer plated truncated cone/flat point 22 LR ammunition. IIRC, they were called Yellowjackets. Haven't seen them in years.

 

[Slughammer]

Remington used to offer plated truncated cone/flat point 22 LR ammunition. IIRC, they were called Yellowjackets. Haven't seen them in years.

If i remember correctly, Yellow Jackets were truncated cone hollow points. The Viper was the truncated cone flat point.

 

[Tomme boy]

Last I knew The Waltz dies were $110. Wasn't that long ago, maybe a year.

 

[todd]

The Neal Waltz die is a custom die to flat point (or hollow point) a .22LR cartridge.

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i spent a better part of my day looking for my bubbaed-up 22LR jig and i did not find it. all it was a block of steel (around 7/8" x 1 1/2" block) that i drilled out to fit a 22LR cartridge. the rim stayed out of the hole i drilled, while the rest of the case and bullet would go in. then i took a bastard file to the RN and a couple swipes later, a FN bullet. for being a 14 or 15 yo at the time, i thought it was great. man, did they ever smack the squirrels.

it was cheap to do. my foggy memory thinks it was $5 or $6 for a 100 CCI Mini Mags, while 50 Rem/Fed/Win RN was .69 or .79 cents. $7 or $8 would be 500 RN cartridges. minute of squirrel out to 50 yards was fine by me.

in no way my FN was as accurate as the 22LR dies are. i think was a simple step to kill squirrels and groundhogs.

 

[Petrol & Powder]

Filing the bullet nose will create a flat point but the bullet will not be swaged to a slightly larger diameter and the bullet weight will be reduced in the process.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

Last I knew The Waltz dies were $110. Wasn't that long ago, maybe a year.

I have been tring to get ahold of them for nearly ten years Tomme. Repeated phone calls and emails where unanswered.
I have 6/7 friends in Ohio. One even repeatedly went to his home. Left messages in mail box and we could no gain reply or ability to buy a die...

greg@abraxasballistics.com

This is email for contact now if anyone wants a die.

CW