Rally
NC Minnesota
I took a doe this past Saturday evening of Mn rifle opener. Used a Rem. 700 SS in .30-06, NOE 311-195-Fp, 32.5 grs of IMR 4198, Bens Red plus BW, aluminum GC, alloy was 75% COWW, 25% Mono and enough tin to get to 2%. Book says it is around 2150. Doe was about 45 yds. from me at the shot, with her front feet up on a hummock snorting at me. Her head was turned slightly to her right but not yet quartering to me. She had first appeared to my front but made me when she saw me move to raise the rifle and all I could see of her was pieces through the regrowth Ash and poplar. Pretty thick stuff with a brush pile between me and where she was traveling from. I first saw her when she was about 35 yards in front of me but just couldn't find a clear spot to place the shot. Wind was in my favor, and she headed back the way she came, but did a half moon circle to get a better view of me or wind me, snorting the whole time. I could see pieces of her as she tried to get down wind of me but not a clear shot, nor where her body parts were for sure, or what I was looking at in the scope. She stopped about 45 yards out but there was too much brush to take a chance at getting a bullet deflected. She did the whole sort and stomp thing, knew I was there, just didn't know what I was. Then she reversed directions with her body and put her feet up on a hummock. That gave me a perfect picture of her upper chest and head.
The bullet hit her where the neck and spine turn upward, traveled down the spine shortly hitting vertabra and breaking the tops of four ribs. The bullet stopped somewhere, but I can't tell you where for sure. I found it on the floor after removing the hide and there was no exit wound in the ribcage or hide??? Damage to the spine and ribs was pretty substantial, with some evidence of some bleeding between ribcage and front left leg, but no holes there other than substantial entry as pictured.
If you look closely at the small blood spot to her center bottom, there is also two skid marks from her front feet on the ice. The small blood spot is from her nose hitting the ground first before she flopped over on her right side. As close to a bang flop as I've ever witnessed. The recovered bullet weighed 130.5 grs after being cleaned, and the GC was gone. I already cut the deer up and recovered no fragments of the bullet nor GC. I'm guessing they came out when I gutted her at that location. From the recovered bullet it appears the shank of the bullet is intact with weight loss coming from the nose, of which about half sheared off on one side.
I'm not real concerned with the nose shearing off, considering how much bone it hit. I realize the alloy is harder than most use, and I tried .310 and .311 diameters to start with, but the gun likes .309 with this bullet and the 165RD. Because of this bullets FP, OAL to function is 2.965". Plenty of room in the magazine for longer, but hits the feed ramp and stops any longer. The RD does the same thing in this rifle.
And my youngest Grandson got his first buck on Sunday afternoon, with Grandpa's Marlin 1894 in ,44 mag. The same rifle his dad got his first two deer with. Which by the way was shooting a NOE 432-265-RD bullet I cast in a DP version. Guess he shot it at 30 yards from his stand and dropped right there. My son said it was a complete through and through with an exit hole the size of his thumb. Can't get anymore scientific than that with the .44 because I wasn't there. Smile tells me all I need to know. He's eleven by the way. Not bad for a first buck.
Sorry about the pictures I don't know how to get them moved from my phone in the correct order yet.
The bullet hit her where the neck and spine turn upward, traveled down the spine shortly hitting vertabra and breaking the tops of four ribs. The bullet stopped somewhere, but I can't tell you where for sure. I found it on the floor after removing the hide and there was no exit wound in the ribcage or hide??? Damage to the spine and ribs was pretty substantial, with some evidence of some bleeding between ribcage and front left leg, but no holes there other than substantial entry as pictured.
If you look closely at the small blood spot to her center bottom, there is also two skid marks from her front feet on the ice. The small blood spot is from her nose hitting the ground first before she flopped over on her right side. As close to a bang flop as I've ever witnessed. The recovered bullet weighed 130.5 grs after being cleaned, and the GC was gone. I already cut the deer up and recovered no fragments of the bullet nor GC. I'm guessing they came out when I gutted her at that location. From the recovered bullet it appears the shank of the bullet is intact with weight loss coming from the nose, of which about half sheared off on one side.
I'm not real concerned with the nose shearing off, considering how much bone it hit. I realize the alloy is harder than most use, and I tried .310 and .311 diameters to start with, but the gun likes .309 with this bullet and the 165RD. Because of this bullets FP, OAL to function is 2.965". Plenty of room in the magazine for longer, but hits the feed ramp and stops any longer. The RD does the same thing in this rifle.
And my youngest Grandson got his first buck on Sunday afternoon, with Grandpa's Marlin 1894 in ,44 mag. The same rifle his dad got his first two deer with. Which by the way was shooting a NOE 432-265-RD bullet I cast in a DP version. Guess he shot it at 30 yards from his stand and dropped right there. My son said it was a complete through and through with an exit hole the size of his thumb. Can't get anymore scientific than that with the .44 because I wasn't there. Smile tells me all I need to know. He's eleven by the way. Not bad for a first buck.
Sorry about the pictures I don't know how to get them moved from my phone in the correct order yet.
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