Noe 311-230fn

Roger Allen

Active Member
anyone use this mold? My bullets are coming out 235.5-236.0 gr and a nose body of .305 ( actual advertised as .302) with 2 part ww and one part range scrap/pure (50 percent range scrap-50 percent pure stick on)


Shouldn't be a big deal but I haven't tried em yet in my chamber. I believe my gun can stomach the dia of the nose.

Loading in a m700 300 aac
 

Ian

Notorious member
NOE tends to run their .30-caliber noses .002-3" on the fat side, which has always been a frustration and mystery to me. I'd think he would hold drawing tolerance in a place which is so very, very critical with certain designs. Regarding this mould in particular, I've said it over and over here that it wasn't done right when the drawing was ripped off and copied, because there's a unique feature where the ogive meets the nose body that was ignored (it's a nuance that's not on the original drawing, BTW), and when that is combined with a nose that casts too fat even with very diluted alloy, you get problems.

Here's what the bullet SHOULD look like:



The bullet on the right was tapped into the same throat a little (by the same amount that it is ahead of the loaded one in the photo) so you can see not only where, but HOW the bullet will begin to contact the rifling and throat and engrave when fired. The loaded one will fall into and out of the chamber no marks, which is pretty much a requirement for reliable AR-15 ammo if you want to load for one. If the nose isn't cut exactly like it was by the original maker, it can have chambering issues in all but the most generous Blackout throats. Hopefully it will fit your bolt gun and you'll be able to use it, it wouldn't come close to chambering in two of my three ARs, wouldn't fit any other .30-caliber rifle I own, and would be a cram-fit in the Radical AR barrels like Brad and I have with out-of-spec, oversized throats. He makes the NOE work in his, but has to seat so deep he can't use the top groove for crimping.
 

fiver

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if your 700 is cut like my AAC it ain't gonna work.[anything over .3005 is a no-go]
that might chamber in the sloppy Ruger, but even there the nose being +302 would be real iffy.
 

Roger Allen

Active Member
Just made a cartridge same coal just about as Ian's. I got nose engraving a tiny bit but easy bolt close easy bolt open. Yeah I like Noe as it's about the affordable way for near custom mold I care to spend money on but this kinda pissed me off. Don't tell me that ww lead I'll get .302 and I get .305. That's not on a mold seam.
 

Ian

Notorious member
If you're not happy with it, contact Al and give him a chance to resolve your concerns, or ask to send it back for refund or credit.
 

Josh

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Yup, I am the original designer of this bullet, and I can tell you that the NOE design is not what I spec'ed out. The long bore ride was critical, so much so that I sacrificed a cherry to the grinder so I could get them perfect.
 
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freebullet

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I wonder if that fat nose fritter might fit well in the x39? Sks is well known to gobble up FATTIES.
 

fiver

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it might if the body got to 312.
I'd love to have a 305 nose on my 314299.
but this one is supposed to be a 30 cal mold not a 31 cal mold.
 
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quicksylver

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Hi...anyone use this in a 30-06...looks like it could be a winner either gas checked or plain based in a 30-06..
 

Roger Allen

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lol I don't know why I thought of limiting this Bullet alone to the blackout. I'm guessing right twist and velocity it would marry well
 

quicksylver

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lol I don't know why I thought of limiting this Bullet alone to the blackout. I'm guessing right twist and velocity it would marry well

The 1-12" of the .308 and 1-10" of the 30-06 should work just fine..

Might have to single feed..

I am thinking with the larger nose and excellent profile this bullet should be great either with some pistol powder under the plain base or with powders from 2400 up to and possibly slower than Varget in burn rates for the gas checked...try it and let us know...(getting a little bossy here...:))

Might even be a 200 yd winner..
 

fiver

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speed would help but the length is gonna be the problem.
an 8 twist at 300 BO speeds would be marginal at the lower end.

I'd try it, but then again I'm pretty good at ignoring twist rates and seeing what the rifle will actually do.
 

Josh

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I've ran mine from a 1-10 twist 30-06 at 1500 fps, it was stable at 100 yds with some minor signs of tipping. I doubt it would make it to 150 yds