Ok, what is the trick?

RBHarter

West Central AR
Is that what gramps called a monkey wrench? Kinda like a toothless pipe wrench? Most people don't give the penetrating oil a chance to work, glad you got it.
I believe it is a heavy wrench more like the Crescent wrench but straight rather than angled but similar in forging line to the Ford or monkey wrench but again with the jaws parallel to the handle.
 

Ian

Notorious member
ATF and acetone mixed 50/50 turns out to be the best penetrating oil there is, by a wide margin. I got a kick out of the "reason" hammer! The only one I engraved (actually did in MiG bead) is the 3-lb hand sledge with a 22" ax handle fitted to it. The weld bead reads "FORD".
 

NAGANT

Active Member
I have to mix up some ATF/acetone and try it. I use Zep45lc, and have had good results except when steel & aluminum are corroded together.
 

smokeywolf

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Ian, if your saying that 50-50 ATF and acetone beats Kroil for creeping into tight places and dissolving oxidation, I'm going to have to mix some up. Always keep those two components on hand.
 

Ian

Notorious member
SW, there have been tests done. ATF/acetone reduces break-away torque of rusted steel parts by half of the next best commercial penetrant, which I believe was Kano Kroil. Most of the penetrating oils on the market all run about the same level of effectiveness with PB Blaster and Kroil leading the pack by a little.
 

Pb2au

Active Member
ATF and acetone mixed 50/50 turns out to be the best penetrating oil there is, by a wide margin. I got a kick out of the "reason" hammer! The only one I engraved (actually did in MiG bead) is the 3-lb hand sledge with a 22" ax handle fitted to it. The weld bead reads "FORD".

Haha! My father in law (who's only religion is Oldsmobile) refers to his big ball peen as his Ford hammer as well.

I keep a big bottle of 50/50 ATF kerosene for penetrating oil on the shelf out in the Empire of Dirt. I never thought to use acetone.. I'll bet it wicks into crannies better than the kerosene carrier. I will have to try that.
 

Ian

Notorious member
I think kerosene has the wrong polarity to make the best penetrant when mixed with the mineral-oil-based ATF. Use Dexron III by the way. Acetone is highly polar, kerosene is not polar.
 

KHornet

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Have been very fond of Kroil for a number of things without mixing anything, so will stay with the original can bought a long time back.
 

S Mac

Sept. 10, 2021 Steve left us. You are missed.
Atf/Acetone works well, Atf/Lacquer thinner as well, seal the container to guard against evaporation.
 

Pistolero

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More support for ATF and acetone, although MEK, or lacquer thinner, or mineral spirits all seem to work in a pinch.
Recently took off a bunch of nuts and bolts on a tractor blade that had sat outside in the weather in Georgia, near the coast for a
few decades. Soaked in ATF/laquer thinner for 10 min and got all of them off without breaking a one. It surprised me, and I
have been a believer for quite some time in this stuff.

I mix up a tiny batch whenever I need it. Hard to keep acetone or MEK or lacquer thinner
inside anything but metal cans.

Bill
 
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JWFilips

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I must be doing something wrong. I mixed up a 50 /50 mix of acetone and ATF today & I can not get it to blend(?) If I mix it up really well it looks good but a minutes later the ATF beads up and the acetone separates :oops:
 

JWFilips

Well-Known Member
I'm going to have to stop over at Lowe's to pick up a can of Acetone The stuff I used was my wife's acetone ( finger nail polish remover ) I see now it has denatonium benzoate in it! I bet that is the reason
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
Yep. Acetone free polish remover. Nothing is as it seems.....
 

Ian

Notorious member
Many nail polish removers are semi-water-based and have low VOC content so they can be used indoors with less odor. Same thing with the milky water "paint thinner" stuff that will fool you into thinking you're buying mineral spirits if you're not careful.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Yes, I bought some of that milky "MINERAL SPIRITS substitute " once myself. It DOES
clean brushes but that it about the end of it's usefulness.

The EPA is ruining most products......
 

Ian

Notorious member
Yes, I bought some of that milky "MINERAL SPIRITS substitute " once myself. It DOES
clean brushes but that it about the end of it's usefulness.

The EPA is ruining most products......
That stuff gave me a terrible time. When I built our new master bathroom (second story) my wife and I opted for a high-quality 3'x4' standing shower insert to save weight on the building vs. tile. The unit consisted of three sides and a pan which would be fastened to the wall studs through the sheet rock and have all seams sealed with a special silicone that is safe for gel coat. Naturally I wanted the sealant to stick REALLY well and hopefully last the remainder of our days, so I looked around for something to remove any trace of mould release agent or other residue from the fiberglass panels without damaging the surface. Mineral spirits is pretty good at degreasing things without harming them, so I went to the shop and dug around. Unfortunately, it was late and I was tired and not a little frustrated from the tedious precision fitting of the panels, so I wasn't thinking clearly when I grabbed a bottle of said milky stuff and proceeded to wipe down all the joints before finally screwing all the panels into place. If I remember right I've peeled the sealant out of all the joints now at least twice, maybe three times in some places and used denatured alcohol to clean out the joints the second time. FINALLY I got the damned caulk to adhere and stay adhered, but it looks terrible after all the re-doing because that milky crap left a residue that NOTHING would stick to. I would have been better off just gluing it up without cleaning the first time. Oh well, live and learn. The base has a split in it now that I've drilled through the ends, vee-grooved, and repaired with Loctite Power Grab, and it's holding so far, but when the pan finally gives up for good I'm going to rip the whole mess out again and put in a one-piece unit if I can find one. I finally got the hang of this house building thing, but hopefully won't ever need to apply that experience again!
 

smokeywolf

Well-Known Member
Have always used either denatured alcohol or a volatile dry spotter like Picrin for cleaning parts and assemblies that have rubber, plastic, fiberglass, etc. components to them.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
I had never heard of Picrin before, looked it up. Dry cleaning solvent. Interesting,
never had any contact with solvents like that.

Bill
 

M3845708Bama

Active Member
Tend to agree with Ben's impact wrench if after all else fails. Would first try Brads recommendation with the tap.

your answer may be to get a socket that fits and use a breaker bar. Mine only sticks up 3/16" so there is very little to catch with normal wrench.