Charles Graff
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Here is my 1954 Winchester 70, fitted with an old Weaver K3. I would not want to live life with just one rifle, but if I had to do so, this rifle would suit me just fine.
Pre 64 Winchester 30-06 bullet
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Ian
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Beautiful rifles, both of them.
Ben, either I need to shoot at 50 yards to check stability, or you might consider a go at 100 yards with your 8.5 grain loads....more than once I've seen really long-for-cartridge bullets take some time/distance beyond the norm to dampen the yaw, and shoot some pretty good groups.
Ben, either I need to shoot at 50 yards to check stability, or you might consider a go at 100 yards with your 8.5 grain loads....more than once I've seen really long-for-cartridge bullets take some time/distance beyond the norm to dampen the yaw, and shoot some pretty good groups.
fiver
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I think it will work just fine.
the weight will carry it down range and the c.o.g is waay better centered than the last one.
sizing to 311 should make sure your gas check is squished in place properly and not mess up that front drive band at all.
not mussin up that front drive band will go a looong way to this boolit shooting well.
it will help center everything in the ball seat area too.
I use a similar design in my 308 but have it specced one thou smaller on the drive bands. [if I muss up the front band when sizing, the boolit is too big to shoot well,,,, and the drive band is mussed up too]
the nose engraving well and evenly was more important than how much or even very tight.
those are the key elements I needed to pay attention to, to get the accuracy and velocity results I wanted.
to get everything just so, I had to bump the alloy around with soft lead and make short little runs of boolits until I got the exact fitment I needed.
take your time.
oh one more thing, I run the mold/alloy just warm enough to make good boolits, without getting anything more than a slight greyness to them on the drive bands.
that's my visual clue.
the weight will carry it down range and the c.o.g is waay better centered than the last one.
sizing to 311 should make sure your gas check is squished in place properly and not mess up that front drive band at all.
not mussin up that front drive band will go a looong way to this boolit shooting well.
it will help center everything in the ball seat area too.
I use a similar design in my 308 but have it specced one thou smaller on the drive bands. [if I muss up the front band when sizing, the boolit is too big to shoot well,,,, and the drive band is mussed up too]
the nose engraving well and evenly was more important than how much or even very tight.
those are the key elements I needed to pay attention to, to get the accuracy and velocity results I wanted.
to get everything just so, I had to bump the alloy around with soft lead and make short little runs of boolits until I got the exact fitment I needed.
take your time.
oh one more thing, I run the mold/alloy just warm enough to make good boolits, without getting anything more than a slight greyness to them on the drive bands.
that's my visual clue.
Ian
Notorious member
The heavy, liquid-lube Lee bullet has a pretty significant boat tail on it, you may have something there. The flat-base bullets have bigger "tail fins" when yawed and settle down faster.
What are you looking for in "vintage correct" for scope mounts? I have a set of Lyman Tru-Lock rings that could be from the mid-1950s but the base is for a Marlin.
Charles Graff
Moderator Emeritus
Beautiful! Here is mine with a Lyman 48 WJS peep and a Merit (sp) adjustable peep. I just bought a Redfield 4x and am now looking for proper vintage mounts.
Like you if i could only have one...
Back in the day, around my area of the world, that rifle would have worn Weaver or Redfield Jr. mounts.
fiver
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I have got that lee down to some slow velocity's in my 7 twist 300 b.o.
3.5 grs of 700-x is about it's bottom so far.
at that point just switching to a pistol primer put's it into the velocity variation vertical stringing routine.
but the boolits aren't quite making oval swipes on the target.
I'm considering a change to bulls-eye to see if I can keep on going.
I got a little more scope adjustment left.
3.5 grs of 700-x is about it's bottom so far.
at that point just switching to a pistol primer put's it into the velocity variation vertical stringing routine.
but the boolits aren't quite making oval swipes on the target.
I'm considering a change to bulls-eye to see if I can keep on going.
I got a little more scope adjustment left.
Josh
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Are you running the original Lee or the improved design?
Charles Graff
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I have two 336s in 30-30. One a 1960 carbine with a Redfield 102 and the other a 1972 336A rifle with an old Weaver K2.5. I only have a pic of the carbine. They both shoot cast very well, but the carbine required a special bullet due to it's bore size.
Ian
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You'd really wish you hadn't sold it to me if you could shoot it now...I pulled it all apart and spent some hours slicking up the internals, you were right about it being stiff as could be. I wish Marlin had never started plating their bolts, that was a lot of the problem with it, the stuff is coming off. I feathered the rough edges of where the plating was coming loose, deburred the bolt ways, worked on the other stuff inside and it's slick as a whistle now.
I haven't put a scope on it yet, kinda like the peep, though I must admit I haven't learned to shoot it very well, might do better with a narrower front blade and some orange-over-white paint, and a smaller rear aperture.
Charles, those older Marlins are tough to beat, I have a 1966-produced 336 Texan that my grandfather bought new somewhere in Harlingen. You may have actually known him, his name was Collins Wickham and he was a high-school chemistry teacher and Baptist minister there, starting several churches from scratch in the poorer, Hispanic neighborhoods of surrounding areas from the late 1960s through the '90s when he retired. He was known for being the pasty-white gringo who delivered his sermons in perfect, Castilian Spanish.
I haven't put a scope on it yet, kinda like the peep, though I must admit I haven't learned to shoot it very well, might do better with a narrower front blade and some orange-over-white paint, and a smaller rear aperture.
Charles, those older Marlins are tough to beat, I have a 1966-produced 336 Texan that my grandfather bought new somewhere in Harlingen. You may have actually known him, his name was Collins Wickham and he was a high-school chemistry teacher and Baptist minister there, starting several churches from scratch in the poorer, Hispanic neighborhoods of surrounding areas from the late 1960s through the '90s when he retired. He was known for being the pasty-white gringo who delivered his sermons in perfect, Castilian Spanish.
Outpost75
Active Member
I've always has best results with bullets having a tapered forepart which matches the forcing cone angle. I quit using 2-diameter bullets 30 years ago.
A forepart of .301 is OK for a new barrel of minimum dimensions, but will not be supported by a worn barrel or one which exceeds mean allowed tolerance.
Accurate 31-155D is a plainbased tapered nose bullet I designed to fit my pre-64 Winchester Model 70 and 54, and 03 Springfield. It can also be used safely in tube magazines, and works well in worn .30-30s, as well as in the .308 Win. and tighter Finn chamberings of the 7.62x54R.
It is in Tom's catalog and you can tweak diameters for your rifle and alloy.
A forepart of .301 is OK for a new barrel of minimum dimensions, but will not be supported by a worn barrel or one which exceeds mean allowed tolerance.
Accurate 31-155D is a plainbased tapered nose bullet I designed to fit my pre-64 Winchester Model 70 and 54, and 03 Springfield. It can also be used safely in tube magazines, and works well in worn .30-30s, as well as in the .308 Win. and tighter Finn chamberings of the 7.62x54R.
It is in Tom's catalog and you can tweak diameters for your rifle and alloy.
I have not shot them at 100 yards.
I don't own a chrony.
I'm a poor man, I don't pay attention to the chrony read outs as much as I do the target
down range.
Ben
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Josh
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I wasn't sure if you had the one i cut. It is a copy of the lee but "improved" to offer better accuracy