Primers do make a difference

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
Been struggling to developing a cast hunting load for my Model 70 338W Magnum. Having accuracy consistency issues when shooting loads developed in Summer like (70's) temperatures. The bullet is Tom's clone of Lyman's 200 grain (338320) flat point. Data for loads is out of old Lyman literature. Just so happens their accuracy load of 31 grains of IMR-4198 shot the best for me. Lyman also specifies to use only standard large rifle primers.


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First thing I changed and tested, at expected hunting temperatures, was the lube. Was using Lar's Carnauba Red. Then, I decided to try doubling lubing the Red with Alox. Flyer's were still happening. Switched to Lar's 2500 lube and no improvement. :headscratch: Tried different brands of brass.......didn't help. What to do? The only thing left! Try magnum primers..............contrary to Lyman's recommendation.

The way I do cold weather testing, is shoot at a bank of four targets, four shots a day, in the same temperature range. These targets were shot this week at four different temperature ranges...................30's, 40's, 50's, and 20's (today). Color coded highlights indicate the different temperatures and days.


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Sixty yard groups shot out of my hunting blind, seated, with only a camera tripod as a front rest. Scope is a Trijicon (1.25 x 4) Accudot with a orange arrow reticle. POA is indicated by the orange arrow, below each bullseye. I can live with the one flyer, on the third target. Before, switching to magnum primers, I had 50/50 chance of coming close to the bull. Few times, shot at one target and hit the boarding target.:headbang: I can't shoot that bad on purpose.

For those of you, that intend to use cast bullets for hunting deer, be sure to check POI at expected hunting temperature extremes. You don't want to be surprised.
 

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CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
FWIW--I've owned and loaded for two 338 Win Mags over the years--a Ruger 77RS and a Howa 1500. My casting effort did not yield good results (RCBS 33-200-FNGC).

Both rifles shot 250 grain bullets A LOT BETTER than they shot 200 or 225 grain bullets. I'm out of the caliber entirely now, but I wonder it a longer/heavier cast bullet in the 338s would have fared better--as was the case with the redcoats?
 

358156 hp

At large, whereabouts unknown.
31 grains of 4198 is less than a half full case in a large magnum case, could you be having inconsistent ignition issues?
 

Snakeoil

Well-Known Member
31 grains of 4198 is less than a half full case in a large magnum case, could you be having inconsistent ignition issues?
You can nullify this risk by tipping the barrel up before each shot to assure the powder is at the back of the case.
 

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
Hard to find published data for cast in .338W Magnums. I worked up the published loads from Lyman but accuracy goes south fast, when approaching maximum.

I have a accurate load using SR4759 (27.2 grains) also. Need to try that load with magnum primers.

Today, I'm starting the testing IMR-4198 (41 grains) with magnum primers. The most accurate load in my gun, happens to be one grain below Lyman's minimum.

I have tried the slower AA-4350 which fills more of the case and requires magnum primers, but couldn't get a minute of deer load.

My feelings on PC is that I might as well use jacketed bullets. Not looking for the easy way out. Besides, this is more fun. I'm like a dog with a bone.