Question about the 358429 bullet

[johnnyjr]

I noticed in some of the older Lyman manuals this bullet is like 162 grain. And in others it's 170. My bullets are mostly 172. So what is the correct weight . This caused confusion as to the amount of powder to use. Any advice on this?? Thanks Johnny..

 

[358156 hp]

Lyman kept changing the specs on it, chasing some imaginary magical unicorn. Lyman also seemed to accept out of spec cherries from their machine shop vendors when they should have been holding their collective feet to the fire. Between these conditions and others, 358429 has been changed many, many times, as have many other designs. The original design Keith gave them for 173 gr IIRC. Ideal changed it immediately to a round lube groove and also the front driving band was reduced in diameter to better fit more guns.

Also, 358429 was originally designed for 38 Spl & 38/44. That's why the nose is too long for some revolvers.

 

[Bret4207]

Agree, there is no "right" weight. It's whatever your alloy and specific mould drop. Elmer used to call it 160 gr, other times it was 170 or 173. All I know is it works good at any of those weights IF it FITS THE GUN!!!

 

[fiver]

if that was the only one it'd be the anomaly.
there was a time you could order several Lyman molds in 3-4 different weights, they all had the same mold number.

 

[358156 hp]

There was a guy on TOS who had pics of around 10 454424 bullets from different moulds. They all had very visible differences. I've seen a bunch of differences under the same mould number over the years. The most consistent revolver moulds I've seen so far have been... 358156 & 429244.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

Much frustration because of these kinds of shenanigans with Lyman molds. I have a couple 429 molds one is different then other two. Its same story for all of the more popular numbers. Take the 429421 for instance, I have three or four molds and NONE are exactly the same!!!!!

MANY, as Fiver says, even a few blatantly, have different weights.. Totally different weights not suttle changes as in different alloys... yet same numbers.
Two I have are the 358242 & 358430.

The 242 had THREE IINM!!!! While the 430 had a 198 & 160g

 

[Rex]

358477went from 150 to 158 gr. with a different profile.

 

[Outpost75]

Same mold could vary from 160 to 175 grains depending upon the alloy. Linotype being lightest and pure lead heaviest.

 

[Mainiac]

I have an old 429,,that weighs 173,with wheelweight

And one of noe first run of molds,a 429 copy,it to weighs 173 with ww.
This noe mold was made before he even put a name on them.

 

[Bret4207]

Much frustration because of these kinds of shenanigans with Lyman molds. I have a couple 429 molds one is different then other two. Its same story for all of the more popular numbers. Take the 429421 for instance, I have three or four molds and NONE are exactly the same!!!!!

MANY, as Fiver says, even a few blatantly, have different weights.. Totally different weights not suttle changes as in different alloys... yet same numbers.
Two I have are the 358242 & 358430.

The 242 had THREE IINM!!!! While the 430 had a 198 & 160g

The 430 came in at least 2 different weights if memory serves- 150-ish and 200 for the various "Super Police" loads in 38 S+W and Special. Different diameters too I think. There were also a series of moulds back in the Ideal days that came in weights from like 90grs to 220!!!

 

[358156 hp]

Same mold could vary from 160 to 175 grains depending upon the alloy. Linotype being lightest and pure lead heaviest.

This is true. Lyman has used different alloys at different stages to "proof" their bullets. My later manuals like Lymans "Pistol & Revolver Handbook" from 1994 show lino as the bullet metal and earlier versions like Lyman 45 & back listed Lyman #2 alloy and others. I need to dig up a copy of the old Ideal alloy list. I just saw it again somewhere around here.

 

[fiver]

it's around page 60-70 or thereabouts in the third edition.
i got a printout of it here at hand,,, sorta,,, the oldest girl 'cleaned' my book shelf off and i can't find jack now.

 

[Bret4207]

it's around page 60-70 or thereabouts in the third edition.
i got a printout of it here at hand,,, sorta,,, the oldest girl 'cleaned' my book shelf off and i can't find jack now.

Why do people try to "help" us like that?!!!!

 

[358156 hp]

It is a mess, but it's an organized mess.

 

[fiver]

yeah organized so book one is over here upside down and i can't find book 2.
she did line them up by size though so it looks nice.[rolling my eyes]

 

[CZ93X62]

I do like the Keith SWCs as revolver bullets. My own edition of the #358429 is one of the poetic departures from Keith rubrics--three drive bands of varying lengths and an as-cast weight of 163 grains in 92/6/2 metal. It shoots all right, and I guess that's the bottom line.

I am usually a huge fan of heresies, so it is curious that I objected at first to this Lyman blasphemy of a Keith classic design. My revolvers get along with it, so all is well. First World problem.

Lamar, I get cranky when SWMBO or her evil henchwomen re-organize my books and shelves. They do stay away from my half of the garage where the casting and reloading gets accomplished, thankfully.

 

[fiver]

she knows if i catch her out in the shop, doing anything other than vacuuming, it's gonna be re-organize the ingot pile day.
nobody got time for that.

 

[Bret4207]

Oddly, it's always been my boys that try to "fix" my mess. The females just throw more stuff into the mix and walk away. No one has ever wanted to help me "clean up the shop"...ever!!!!

 

[Glaciers]

Oddly, it's always been my boys that try to "fix" my mess. The females just throw more stuff into the mix and walk away. No one has ever wanted to help me "clean up the shop"...ever!!!!

Bret you posted a picture of your shop one time if I remember correctly, so it was obvious to me why you haven’t had any volunteers to help clean your shop.
Oh is that horse plow collar still hanging from your vise?
Only way I saw to clean your shop was to build a new one and only move stuff in that you could use. No more storage on top of the new bench.

 

[462]

I'd help you, Bret, but I remember the picture, also, and John makes a very good point.