Ruger Commander fiber optic front sight

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
I got a deal on a Ruger Ltwt Commander, but the stock sights were hitting ridiculously high, 8-9 inches at 20 yds with 230 JHP
or 200 gr H&G 68 practice loads. I checked the web and called Ruger. Ruger had NO different height front sights. :confused::eek:
Why not be like SIG and sell a range of front sights with different heights, since with a dovetail it is relatively easy to
change them out and get your gun matching POA and POI. But no. Nobody had a Novak dovetail fiber optic front
sight at the correct height, either. One of the significant disadvantages of the fiber optic sight is that you really can't do
much to adjust the sight by filing off the top, you hit the fiber really soon, and even a small amount looks bad.

So, to the mill. This, in retrospect, is a substantial PITA. This is a tiny part, with extremely fussy dimension....get that dovetail
fit just right? I nailed it but use a friend's dovetail measuring/matching tool, which helped immensely. I started with a way
too tall blank with the totally wrong dovetail, wrong angle, way too wide front to back and way too deep. This is all
good because I can cut it down to fit my needs.

So first get the dovetail right, very, very fussy, but I got it to a .0005 interference fit, a bit looser than I would have
liked, but it worked out perfectly later. I wanted 0.001 interference. I cut it 100% on the mill, upside down using a
Novak dovetail cutter and going VERY slowly and measuring often. Once it would go it, I installed it in the slide and
test fired it. Way too low, as expected but I cut it down in several steps to avoid going too far, always in the mill.
I HATE angled topped front sights a serious pet peeve, so always cut them in the mill. Once the height was right, time
to drill. And getting that hole drilled, starting in an angled rear face, and dead centered right to left, and the same
distance as the side clearance from the top was not something I trusted to my manual mill with no DRO.

So, to a friend's shop for his NOS 1969 Bridgeport with a DRO. Located the side and top, zeroing the DRO at each, then
offsetting to 0.100 on each axis to put my center of the tool on the upper corner, because I used a 0.200 diameter
'touch off' tool to find the edges. Blade is 0.132 wide, so need to go to 0.166 and 0.166 on the DRO.

DRO.jpg

Ready to drill.

ready to drill.jpg

Now the tiny #1 center drill, which would be really easy to just wipe the tip off. Because the Bridgeport is such low time, the
quill feed is still a bit stiff, so I used the knee, adding 0.001 at a time, bump, wait, bump, wait until the hole was about 0.30
deep. Switched to a #53 drill and started drilling, now using the quill. Drilled all the way through, no problems.
Then home to my mill and a 3/16" ball end cutter to remove the middle portion to expose the fiber to light, leaving a
bit on the bottom for strength.

Once that was done, time to polish all over with 400 grit, deburr carefully, break the sharp edges slightly (I like
crisp sight edges). Now to heat treat. This worked perfectly, heat red hot and drop into oil quench. Hardened
the sight and put a really nice black finish, and had the added benefit of the oxide layer ever so slightly tightening
the dovetail fit - Better to be lucky than good some days.

Installed the front sight and added a yellow rod, trimmed and melted the ends with a tiny butane
torch and done!

I think it looks pretty nice, esp for a first try. It took a LOT longer to do than it sounds. I'm slow.:(

Ruger frt sight 01.jpg

Ruger frt sight 02.jpg
I'd starve to death pretty quickly if I was doing this for money.

Bill
 
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KeithB

Resident Half Fast Machinist
Another really fine machine project by one of the folks here. That's a nice job!

Anybody that complains about what a good gunsmith charges hasn't tried to do it themselves.
 

Ian

Notorious member
Holy mackerel. Well, when it doesn't exist and you need it regardless, it has to be made. Very cool to see you did it yourself, thanks for sharing the process.

I'm familiar with the black void surrounding non-standard 1911 sight availability, currently in the market for some suppressor-height 1911 sights. I can use any tall dovetail sight for the front and cut the slide for it, but the rear sight is another matter. Might just have to build it up with some MiG wire and grind/file it to shape.
 

Gary

SE Kansas
Very nice Bill. Damn, you'se guys are going to put me in the poor house. Looks like a Mill is in my future.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Thanks guys. It was a real challenge and I nearly screwed it up several times, but I am pleased with
the result.

You said it, Keith. Gun work is fine, fussy work. I used to have a really fine quality Furter Swiss rear sight
on one of my K31s. Smooth, precise click adjustments for windage and elevation. I managed to locate
one in Switzerland and get it shipped here, took 4 weeks, for about $265 for the sight plus shipping.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SWISS-SCHMI...-Rear-sight-/122578125752?hash=item1c8a39c3b8

I took it to my tool and die maker friend and asked what it would cost to make a batch of 10 or 20 of them.
After about 5 minutes of looking, adjusting, measuring, he said, "My cost, $600 each."

YIKES! OK, never mind. What Keith said. $265 is a bargain price for a $600 sight.

Fiver, I was really pleased with the way the black color worked out, too.

Thanks, Ben. After seeing your fabulous stock work, I really appreciate your comment.

Ian, Yes, I am surprised that suppressor sights seem to be so hard to come buy for 1911s.

Brad, maybe some day I might get quick enough to make some for someone else. At this point, I
spend so much time that it would be nuts to even think about making even one for
someone else, let alone two.

Bill
 
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freebullet

Guest
Wow, well done, Bill.

Thanks for sharing.

I've made a few sights by hand with 6061 al I had on hand but, never attempted fiber optic or steel, aside from fitting a premade.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
He made it himself. It measures a female dovetail on one side, then compares a
male dovetail part on the other side, so you can fit them. He's a tool & die maker and
very innovative.

Bill
 

dutch41

New Member
Bill

Thanks for the reply. Sounds like a very useful tool, although with a limited audience (gunsmiths and do it yourselfers).

Scott
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Yes. I told him to build a batch and see if they sell. I imagine it would have to go for at leas $100-150. It has
very precise slider on drill rod rails and two side heads with cross pins and a long travel dial indicator to
give the readout.

If you are interested, I could ask what he would make one for. He always needs a new source of cash
flow. I found it very valuable to get the dovetail fit right. Darned near impossible to measure
any other way, other than eyeball/caliper "close enough" to ID which style dovetail you have.
Not so good when making a new part.

Bill
 

dutch41

New Member
Sorry for the late reply Bil.
I am interested in one depending on price, already have an indicator so that should help with the price.
Any chance of a picture?

Thanks for your time!

Scott
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
I talked to him today. He is wanting to start producing it, but wants to get it patented
before he releases it. That is why no pix, either.
He thinks they should sell for about $150-200, since it is a precision gunsmith tool which
can save a lot of time and error when making a dovetail sight or even just fitting one, and
will last literally a lifetime.

I don't think this will be coming any time in the short run, at least months, I think. But not sure.

I told him I would pay $150 for one, he says that the dial indicator is not a big part
of the cost, so will probably sell only with it. I mentioned that you might be interested.
If you are really wanting one, it may help speed the process.

Bill
 

dutch41

New Member
Thanks for checking for me.
I'm interested depending on price and actually seeing one.
Guess now we wait and see what happens.

Scott
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Trust me, it is beautifully made, works extremely smoothly and precisely.
It is a nice design, pretty easy to use, too. Of course you want to see it, and when it
is patented, I am sure that will be fine. Right now, it isn't mine and I have to follow his wishes.

Is $150 to 200 too high, in your opinion? Just my personal curiosity. I wonder what
folks might consider paying for the capability. It will take some really accurate manufacturing
to make it properly, so can't be much less, I think, and even pay for itself. If it isn't made
accurately, with very tight dimensions, it can't measure accurately and consistently.

It would be unfortunate if folks won't pay what it takes to make it, but that does happen.
Like the Swiss sight I mentioned earlier in the thread. Too expensive to make in small
quantities, nobody will pay what it will take.

I was fairly easily able to get the sight to 0.001 oversize dimension, with an error of 0.0005,
which I consider pretty amazing, given how hard dovetails are to measure. If you have ever
actually tried, it is an exercise in frustration. IME, measuring anything to .0005 reliably
takes good tools and a good touch. This thing can do it for odd shapes like dovetails.

I hope to get the first production unit.

Bill
 

dutch41

New Member
Bill
I would possibly be interested at the $150 price point max.
Won't be something I'd use very often, however my toolbox has a lot of tools like that.
If your friend is serious about making these in quantity then he should think about getting these quoted by a job shop, the more you get the cheaper they are.

Please keep us informed and thanks for your time!

Scott
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Not a chance he would farm it out. He makes his living doing machining, this would be
a for profit job for him. I will keep you in mind, and tell him he has two customers waiting.

Bill