Super Hard Bullet Recipe

hrpenley

Active Member
Well I'll tell you, in the last couple of years I have mixed a huge number of alloys, starting with pure lead/antimony/arsenic and tin. I have alloyed with wheel weights and heat hardening and I have to tell you there is no solid formula, bullets can be hardened several ways, Antimony for one (most common), tin for another and the addition of arsenic to facilitate heat hardening. I have had the best luck so far with the addition of PbAs85/15 to reach a saturation of .75% -1% much over that and there is no additional benefit. If you use wheel weights in your mix you can figure a very maximum of .25% As content, this allows some benefit to heat treating but it will not reach it maximum potential especially if you add other pure metals to the mix. Tin provides some hardening but at a much greater expense in addition to making your bullet much lighter, this is why tin is used primarily for surface tension reduction (flow). Antimony will increase the overall hardness but due to the resulting structure of the alloy it will also cause the bullet to become brittle, the more you use the more glass-like the lead alloy will become up to the point of self destruction at higher speeds due to the bullet spin alone. A bullet hardened to BHN range in the upper 20's can shatter if dropped on a concrete floor. As I indicated before my best results have been achieved using a lead/tin/antimony mixture with a base hardness (for low pressure-up to 26kpsi) around 3-4BHN below my desired max pressure then I powder coat, size then heat treat, by adjusting my soak time I can bring my hardness right to the level I want and by choosing the correct powder I hit it with just the right deforming pressure for a good clean seal. For higher pressures I stay 6-8 BHN below my desired max pressure and using the same process and adjusting the time and temperature of the heat treating cycle to reach BHN values in the 30+ range without the inherent brittleness encountered using only Antimony. The resulting projectiles work perfectly for velocity well over 2500fps in my .223 Now you may never get 3k with the same accuracy as a copper jacket but you can with a little (lot) trial and error get very close. There are a lot of opinions about this, many for many against so take all the information you have received do your own testing and stick with what works best, if you have any questions feel free to pm me.
 
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Rally

NC Minnesota
:rofl:I suppose, but I have never been much of a seamstress (seamsir?)! I have a hard enough time skinning the buggers! I've had a couple that made beaver look like a walk in the park.
I have to agree about skinning Coyotes. Tough to skin, especially after being frozen.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Price of fur these days, it's not really worth it, but I can't leave them to breed like rabbits either. SWMBO always wanted a full length coyote coat...
 

Ian

Notorious member
They got a pretty decent steakhouse on the east side off the road to Buford, had no idea there was an airport there. I can totally see a coyote pelt duster, especially hunting those parts.
 

STIHL

Well-Known Member
From all I have read here it seems to me that the general consensus of this thread is there is a wide variety of alloys doing the same thing. What a shitty alloy of who knows what that I have several pounds of and comes out to 14-15 BHN, to the COWW that I have been using here recently, which also fall into the 14-15 range all shoot well enough. It makes accurate bullets that don’t lead a barrel up, isn’t that what we are all after at the end of the day. BHN is just a number, if the bullet works and does what you want it to do, does it matter if it’s 12 or 30? If the day ever comes that’s I need to buy an alloy such as #2 or Lino or hardball, or I want a mix of 20:1 I will go that route to achieve a certain bullet with certain characteristics, as of right now my junky ass alloy and COWW are serving me well. I’m slowly getting into rifle casting and shooting and the 45-70 has proved to be an adequate platform to learn some things. Next is to seriously dive into 30 cal rifle. This is where an alloy of 20:1 will come into play. These will be used to hunt with, so 20:1 is a good place to start. Otherwise just for banging steel the junk alloy does very well.

I don’t see the need for all the hostility over BHN numbers. If it works for you wonderful. I do things my way, because frankly it’s just how I learned it, and it’s what I’ve become comfortable with. Other than reading on theses forums and reading books, I am a 100% self taught caster and hand loader.

Just a thought!
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
That was you having a flashback to Jethro in "The Beverly Hillbillys". And they were racoon back in the day. Cant recall why I know this!
One of the very first talking parts of a movie was Rudy Vallee, singing through a megaphone, wearing a racoon coat. If you watched television in the 1960's, you saw that at least a hundred times.
 

Rally

NC Minnesota
i just make ingots and mark them what they are with a wide tip marker. Then use the calculator to mix my alloys. I made a “ingot mould” out of 1/2” angle iron to use for my pewter. Makes v shaped wire I can cut to whatever lengths/weights I need. Close enough for my needs.