Two less common little 30 caliber moulds

[RicinYakima]

Here are two less common little 30's that I use for loading the 7.63 Mauser pistol and 7.62 x 25 Tokarov. The top one is Lyman's # 311419 designed in about 1928 when the Lyman's bought the remains and scrap of the old Ideal company. It is about the smallest gas checked 30 you can make (88 grains) and was to complete against the new Savage 80 grain High Power 32/20. The bottom one is Ideal's #308244 from about 1904. It is listed as a mid-range bullet for the 30 Luger at 95 grains and used "a reduced load" of smokeless powder, but the same seating die as the factory jacketed bullet.

 

[Ben]

Your 308244 appears to have interrested Lee.
If they didn't copy it, they came very close.
Yours has a bit of a drive band in front of the top lube groove before it transitions into the ogive of the nose, whereas the Lee is absent this feature.

The Lee 100 gr. RN is a nail driver out of my 32 H&R Mag. T/C Contender.
I size mine to 3105" , my bore is .308".

 

[Cherokee]

I've had that 311419 for over 40 years and use it in 30 Carbine & 32/20. A very good performer in revolvers and rifles. Works good w/o the GC in light loads.

 

[RicinYakima]

The Lee is most closely related to the Ideal # 308245. It looks just like the Lee except it has a "scrapper" groove at the base of the nose. Using the lubes of the day, they liked the scrapper groove to push out excess lube every shot (in theory). Not surprisingly, the recommended 50 yard load for the military was 3 to 5 grains of Bullseye, Unique or Infallible. When the National Guard went from 45/70 round ball loads for indoor / short range practice, to 30 caliber round ball loads, accuracy suffered greatly. From 1895 to 1906 everyone was looking for a better bullet the USMC used a 311241 125 grain and the Guard found this 308245. Recommended alloy? One part antimony to ten parts "pig" lead and no tin. They thought tin caused "fusion" with smokeless powders and made bullets melt from friction in the barrel.