Waxes

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
I got some questions recently about waxes in lube.
What do paraffin, microwax, and beeswax do that makes them special? Can palm or soy wax play a part? What about specialty candle waxes like creme wax or gel wax?

I'm hoping a couple of enablers will chime in.
 

Ian

Notorious member
Oh good grief. Here we go.......:rolleyes:

The waxes are the backbone of lube, and I tend to think about them on a molecular level like I think of bullet alloy, there are many similarities to the structures, shear planes, grain size, etc. which determine how the substance behaves under pressure, at various temperatures, and at mach point five or five. The waxes can be selected and blended to a very specific purpose once you get an idea of what each does and what they can do in certain combinations with each other, and with other additives like oils and metal soaps.

Micro-crystalline wax is a heavily branch-chained, petroleum wax which is sticky, tacky, adds lots of stretch, flex, and featherability/smearability to the lube (mixed with the right oils, this = "glide"). If a narrow fraction, like any of the waxes it can have a moment where it's solid and then goes liquid right now. It's better blended to make a more gradual phase change. Due to being branched and forming a crystalline structure, it holds oils very well like a sponge, provided they aren't of opposite polarity like PAG oil. By itself in a lube it can make awful cold-shot flyers because it's too tacky when condensed in a cold bore.

Beeswax is a blend of various ester waxes and some hydrocarbons, and a lot of other stuff. It has a pretty broad phase shift, is tacky, flexible, flows well, has very high film strength when liquid, has lots of fine particles and glues in it which make fantastic stop-leak, and due to the ester content will blend with dang near any oily stuff or wax on the planet. Also due to the solventy nature of the esters and very clean burn characteristics, it tends to not leave much carbon fouling behind in the bore. One other point is Beeswax is close to the ideal wax (almost) because it's solid and liquid friction characteristics are close for the purposes of bullet lube.

Paraffin has limited, but distinct use at my house. Paraffin is pretty much inert, but also very weak since its structure has lots of long shear planes. It doesn't lube well by itself, which like all the paraffin group of oils and waxes is a good thing. Low film strength has its advantages, one being soft paraffins (oils) are excellent for softening or plasticizing a harder wax without making the lube too slippery. Mainly I use paraffin to temper the sticky, cold-start features of microwax and to an extent, beeswax. 10% is usually plenty. The other neat thing about paraffin is it tends to make a lube liquify quickly (or at least flow like a liquid) with pressure alone, very handy for low-pressure loadings or situations where the lube needs to flow quickly without the benefit of heat, as in COLD weather. A small addition of paraffin can cure cold-barrel syndrome, but can also ruin extreme hot weather performance if sodium soap isn't present to kind of hold it together. Paraffin will also reduce the tack of beeswax and microwax, a feature which is invaluable to getting lube to jettison in low-pressure loads.

IDK about palm wax. Soy wax is awesome for glide and adding a lot of film strength, very good for high pressure lube BUT it will turn to goose chit in any kind of heat and it's tough to control in a hot barrel. In a way it's TOO good, but as an additive it has its uses, as does castor wax.

BP lubes are a whole 'nuther story better told by someone else.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
Castor wax is something I need to play with more. Could get some of the lubrication of castor oil without any bleed out.
Cetyl esters melt fast under heat so they can help a lube liquefy quickly. Small amounts or your lube melts too easily in heat.

A base of microw wax, paraffin, and beeswax is hard to beat. Add other stuff to make it feel right. Just don't add too much.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Thanks for the insight.

OK, so the lube mix that a guy on the other site had was 1 part microwax, 2 parts
paraffin, 6 parts beeswax and 1 3/4 parts lithium grease. I had excellent results with
it in years gone by. Now understanding why, at least better. I think. Maybe. :rolleyes:

Any thoughts on "gel wax" at the candle dept in Hobby Lobby? Transparent, colorless
gel with a few bubbles. Wiggles a bit when you shake it. Wonder if it is even a real
wax or just some gelled oil that will work with a wick. Purely clear, though.

Or if their "general purpose candle wax" ($25/10 lbs) is just paraffin? I have GulfWax
for paraffin, used years ago on surfboards.

Bill
 
Last edited:

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
I bet general purpose wax is paraffin.
The gel wax is likely a thickened oil of some sort. Google tells me it is mineral oil thickened with a polymer resin.

I bet you could reduce the grease to 1 part and be fine. It doesn't take a lot of oil.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Ian, I am looking for case sizing lube. I have been using Castrol brand micro-wax with 5% lanolin. But have considered using Mobil-1 oil instead. Any thoughts?
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
I have heard of guy's using mobile-1.

I use lanolin cut with castor oil 2-1 then add neets foot oil until the lube goes closer to a liquid. [@10%]
I got no problem shoving stuff covered in it in a 500$ point form die.
so it also seems like a good lube to stick a 40 cent case in a 15$ size die.

for rifle cases like 30-06 size I use about a q-tip ball sized chunk in a 1 gallon freezer baggie with all 100 cases at a time.
if I'm pushing the shoulders back I wipe the lube off them, there is still enough there.
 

Gary

SE Kansas
Wow!! This stuff is WAY over my pay grade. I admire the collective knowledge base as presented on this site. I simply mix some BLL or Ben's Red ,and One Shot for case lube.
In the collective opinion(s), what is the best commercial case lube.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
For case lube I really like Hornady Unique. The tub I have has lasted me well over a decade. It doesn't take much at all to do the job.
Lanolin is hard to beat as a case lube, just make sure you get anhydrous lanolin. Adding a little castor oil to thin the mix, or neatsfoot like fiver mentioned, isn't a bad idea either.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
The "best" in my opinion was Imperial Sizing Die Wax that was made in PA or NY, as the new stuff from Brownells is pretty thin. I don't know of anyone who has used the Hornady stuff, so can't say how it compares.
 

Rick

Moderator
Staff member
I've used the Hornady Unique for many, many years. Before that it was the really messy RCBS case lube and lube pad, sure don't miss that.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
I'm pretty positive that the rcbs case lube was straight STP.
nothing strings out like that except paratack.

I have found getting it thinner and thinner allows it to cover more and more evenly.
I do throw the cases in the tumbler to get the lube off but that ain't such a bad thing.
a little nu-finish in there at the same time seems to help keep the cases from tarnishing longer.
 

Ian

Notorious member
Ian, I am looking for case sizing lube. I have been using Castrol brand micro-wax with 5% lanolin. But have considered using Mobil-1 oil instead. Any thoughts?

Case lube needs to have extremely high film strength at room temperature. That's about the only requirement, though still a tall order. Most of the lubricating oils, synthetic or otherwise, just aren't up to the task of being a deep-drawing lubricant. Hornady Unique is something I plan to try, and if Rick recommends it it's a safe bet.

I'm still using a mixture of lanolin, castor bean oil, sulfur ester (yellow-metal friendly version), lard oil, and neatsfoot. It smells like cow farts and goat sweat but works really well.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
I bought a plastic tub, about 3.5" butter tub size, of anhydrous lanolin a few years ago. I touch my fingers
to the lid, which has some stuck to it, and then put 10-15 cases in my hands and roll them back and forth
a few times. This is plenty of lube. If I am doing a large batch, a bit of lanolin cut with alcohol and sprayed
into a big ziplock with 100-150 cases and rub the bag around a bit to mix them up, and they are all
lubed. I have, and still sometimes use Imperial die wax, good stuff, but find that my hands are happy
after the lanolin treatment when I am doing 50 match loads for rifle as a batch, and it goes very quickly.
Apparently the film strength of lanolin is really high. Really nice on your hands, esp in winter when a
bit of cracking can be a problem for me, getting hands mega dirty and scrubbing a lot.

I agree with fiver that old RCBS (maybe current, haven't bought any in decades) was (is)
STP. Impressive lube, but kinda messy stuff. I have some very old Hodgdon lube, red
grease/goo in a plastic bottle. Really good stuff, too. Hodgdon told me they only sold it
for a short while, many years ago.

Dillon case lube is lanolin in alcohol, in spray bottle. Great in a ziplock with 100+ cases, as
described above.

Bill
 

300BLK

Well-Known Member
Current RCBS case lube works well and is water soluable. The old stuff requires some solvent to remove, and I used lighter fluid back then.

That spray on lube has been problematic for a couple of guys that I know. Cases stuck in dies aren't a good thing.
 

Eutectic

Active Member
Hornady's "Unique" is all I use anymore for routine case sizing. I'll use one of my 'trick' high film strength lubes for case forming or bullet swaging.
It takes a L.. O.. N.. G time to empty a tub that didn't cost you much.

STP isn't what it used to be..... When it first came out a company named "Studebaker Corp." was the manufacturer (actually packager). We (Chevron... actually Standard Oil then) make the polybutene for it and shipped it to them by the tank car for years! Sadly, I ran out of my original supply.

Think because we made the 'old stuff' was the reason it was better???

One of my toughest bullet sizing jobs ever was sizing down Hornady's .416 African solids to to use in my .405 Winchester Ruger #1. I cut off an old RCBS .220 Swift FL die and polished the long body taper area to .409" at the exit. I screwed it in my old RCBS A-2 press, smeared some old Std. Oil made STP on it and pushed it through.... It came out .412" diameter just where I wanted it..... Think that had some pressure on it to expand that 7/8" hardened die like that?? It 'springs' back being hard and hasn't changed the .412" size for the box of bullets.... Wanting to save what little original STP I had at the time I smeared some new STP on one of those African solids and pushed it through with considerable more effort and a screech like a tomcat hit by a Volkswagen!
Some old 'draw' lube I had did pretty good. Then I grabbed a tube of Chevron "Ultra Duty" grease..... It has a very high Timken OK load of 70 pounds. It actually was the best lube I found in my stuff.... I still use it for my 'high pressure' sizing.

So a very high Timken OK load rating is a good thing in this application.... But don't try it in your bullet lube formulas!!!

Pete
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Eutectic, is that Chevron UltraDuty black? Molybdenum disulphide is a black grease
additive which has extreme pressure lube capabilities.

If current STP is less capable, probably EPA ordering them to change the formula.
Same with Hoppe's #9. Should be Hoppe's #10 or #11, since the key ingredients are
very different today from what it was in the 1960s when I first started using it. Broke
my original bottle of Hoppe's the other day - a tragedy. :( Had that one for over half a
century, just refilled from big bottle when needed.
Lots of old chemicals are harsh and the EPA is always dumbing down cleaners and such.

The one really bright spot is limonene. It is "green", which almost alwaystranslates as
"super expensive and works poorly". But in this case, it is very good for cleaning stuff,
at least as good as some really nasty old solvents that we used to use at work, and will
not hurt you and smells like the lemons it is extracted from. A rare win.

Bill
 
Last edited:

Eutectic

Active Member
Eutectic, is that Chevron UltraDuty black? Molybdenum disulphide is a black grease
additive which has extreme pressure lube capabilities.
No Pistolero, it is a deep translucent red in color. It is so sticky/stringy that if you put your finger in it and pull away you will stretch thread-like 'strings' of grease out 3 ft. or more! The EP rating is higher than most moly greases I've seen.
 

Ian

Notorious member
The red and blue greases tend to get their EP properties from ZDDP and other organo-metallic zink compounds instead of Moly compounds, and, to a certain degree, polybutene. EPA hates ZDDP, very little in STP or engine oils any more because catalytic converter beds can't deal with it. Use hotrod camshaft break-in oil boosting concentrate (sold in pints) as a substitute for STP nowdays. Comp Cams makes a good one.