Win 94 AE 7-30 Waters in-bound

[Bret4207]

not a 270 fan either, but after shooting a 25-06 for a number of years i can see the appeal of the 270.
it's just a little bit more, maybe not any better than having the 30 and the 25, but if your gonna shoot an elk, antelope, or a deer on the same day the 270 is a pretty good compromise between recoil, accuracy and enough bullet to do the job.

yeah you got the 30 version which will do them all too, but your looking at that little bit more recoil and a little bit less bullet length.
i see the appeal, i don't have one, but i see the appeal.

The 280 would be my choice then. Not much a 7Mag can do a 280 can't and it doesn't kick as much.

 

[Bret4207]

Well good points there. But, in a lever gun like the 94, why? Now the AE Winchester or the Marlin, both of which can be scoped, different story. For me I just admit I’m not a 7mm fan so that’s my story and it won’t change.
If there’s a pair of 94’s on a table, one a 30-30 or 32 SPL and the second a 7-30, both identical except for caliber, I’ll pick the 30-30 because I need just one more.
Besides that I’m a Dodge fan.
And your right, no reason for the 270 at all.

Why do I want a 25/35, or better a 25/35 Imp on a Savage 99 action when I could just as easily use a 30-30 or 303 Sav? Whatever floats yer boat I guess. I really like the idea of cartridge one guy came up with- take your Marlin 35 Rem and punch the chamber out with a 358 Win reamer. A little more room, but you can't load it to 358 pressures, or shouldn't anyway. Love the idea, would never do it in reality. The 35 will do anything I want as it is, but it's sure interesting to think of the possibilities!

 

[oscarflytyer]

not a 270 fan either,

Funny/thought it was just me. I have shot derned near everything, from 222 Rem up to 458 Win. But never a 270. Guess it was all the Jack O'Conner hype, plus grew up with Dad's 300 Win Mag, and loved that one! (Same on the 7 Mag as the 270 for me. Due to having the 300)

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

So many great lever calibers to explore!!

The 356 is what Id look at if I wanted a 336 in a "big" 35. Or maybe the 35 Greevy (1895 using a 45/70 case)

On a 25 cal. I had a 25/35 delightful to shoot but severely lacking as hubting caliber unless used as expert rifle with laser precision shots.
I had a 250Savage for a while and that was pretty good. Just a little
More powerful but enough that it killed and didnt seem like a pop gun.
I really liked the caliber. It was a Jap Arisaka 6.5 re worked and stocked. It shot well.
CW

 

[todd]

before i bought the Ruger #1 in 270 win, i was looking for the same gun, but in a 7x57 or 280 rem. when i was at a local gun show at my camp, i seen a beautiful wood stock Ruger #1 in 280 rem for $500. then all i heard was "i sold that gun already, but i do have a 270 win." i asked about the 7x57 and he said no, i do not. so i looked at the 270, no scratches or dents or anything else. it had a "plain jane" wood stock, which i compare to the 280's stock and then he said i'll take $100 off if you buy it. i looked at the tag, $425 and he will take $100 off.......$325 my mind said, while my mouth said "sold".

i killed 15-20 deer with it and i found that if you use Nosler Ballistic Tips (130 and 150gr) and you kill deer at 100 yards and less, you are better off if the BT is going 2700-2800fps, with emphasis of 2700fps, because the BT will mushroom, not act like a grenade. i was never a Jack O'Conner fan (or Roy Weatherby) but he did make the 270 win what it is today and much longer. i luv the 270, it doesn't kick as bad as the '06 and it sure does kill deer dead!!!

270 win

left group, 4 shots at 100 yards, 130gr Nosler BT and IMR4320

5 shots at 100 yards, 140gr Hornady SST and IMR4350

8pt taken at 10-12 feet with the 270 and 130gr Nosler BT

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

The 7mm Express was the first "deer rifle" I wanted! I wanted it in the Remington 700 Rifle. Then the changed it to the 280 and I lost favor. But I built one on a 1909 Mauser action with a Bishop stock and a Shillen barrel from Brownells. Its a but heavy but a good shooter.
I have had two Parker Hale 7mm Magnums. First was pretty but only shot so so. The second had plain wood but its a shooter! (Guess which I still have?) I cant bring myself ta sell the 280 but probably would if I could a Remington 700 tagged 7mm Express and looking as new. Just for ol times. A good friend has the pretty P&H cause he dont shoot so good anyhow.

CW

 

[Glaciers]

Well I couldn’t go with any 7mm because my Father shot a 7mm Remington mag. Could not warm up to a 270 because that was my brother’s caliber. I shot the 30-06 before either one obtained their respective caliber choices. Family rivalry. The old Chevrolet vs Ford thing. I do admit they both could out shoot me, but…
Got Karyn a Winchester featherweight in 270, but she preferred her Savage 99 in 308. 270 became a 35 Whelen.
My Father’s 7mm went to my oldest son.

There all good, but…

 

[richhodg66]

I may be wrong, but wasn't it called the .280 Remington for decades, then Remington tried to energize it with the 7mm Express name only to find out that didn't work and changed it BACk to .280 Remington?

The first rifle I loaded for on my own was a .280 Remington. I wanted one and Dad bought one for me along with the stuff to reload for it and brought it out to me when I got back from Desert Storm. Of all the "Improved" variants of the .30-06, the .280 is the best of them in terms of giving up the least. That said, I'll stick with the .30-06 over any of the cartridges formed from it (.270, .280, etc.). All of them give up a lot to gain a small amount in a very narrow niche from the original.

 

[L Ross]

Oh I had to have a .270. Years ago it was a tang safety Model 77. Then I went for years without one. Finally came across a 1959 standard weight Model 70. It won't do a single thing my 7x57 won't do or the .30-06 Springfield sporter. Plus I don't load it like a .270 either. I shot Speer Hot-Cor 130 grainers with 42.2 grains of IMR-4895. I used that to drop a pair of young bucks a few years ago, the simply folded up and lay 12 paces apart. Very modest meat loss. I really should chronograph that load, I was hopin' for 2,500-2,600 fps. But then I don't know if I'll ever use the rifle again. I shot a perfect doe in early November with a cross bow and did not shoot a rifle deer last year at all. I have a whole bunch of guns that need to be used and Sue and I only eat a deer a year.

 

[fiver]

The 280 would be my choice then. Not much a 7Mag can do a 280 can't and it doesn't kick as much.

i have a 7X57 ICL there's no need for a 280 around here.

for years i really wanted a nice bolt gun in 284 win or even 7.5 X 55 which is basically the 284 case necked up to 30 cal.
i finally broke down and made a 700 dollar K-31 into a 300 dollar hunting rifle that i'm the only one that can shoot.
i whittled the stock down so you have to shoot it with your chin resting on the stock to see through the scope properly, and if your chin to eye measurement isn't the same as mine your kinda screwed.

 

[todd]

this is my son's 7x57. i used it until he was 16yo. it is a '98 Mauser Fabrique Nationale Fajen stock (plastic wood-like), 20" Douglas lightweight barrel and timney trigger. the bolt was bent and a Buehler safety was put on by my late gunsmith. a 3-9x Swift scope (when Swift had a over the counter warranty).

the 7x57 came to be my favorite rifle. it ranks 2nd for the number of deer i killed. the win m94 in30-30 is still #1.

i gave my gunsmith a '08 Brazilian Mauser in 7x57 to bend the bolt, Buehler safety, D&T and put a one-piece scope mount. i mounted the IER scope on the rear sight, but i didn't like it.

when he's done with the rifle, then i will citristrip the stock and start to sand and minwax antique oil.

 

[Bret4207]

So many great lever calibers to explore!!

The 356 is what Id look at if I wanted a 336 in a "big" 35. Or maybe the 35 Greevy (1895 using a 45/70 case)

On a 25 cal. I had a 25/35 delightful to shoot but severely lacking as hubting caliber unless used as expert rifle with laser precision shots.
I had a 250Savage for a while and that was pretty good. Just a little
More powerful but enough that it killed and didnt seem like a pop gun.
I really liked the caliber. It was a Jap Arisaka 6.5 re worked and stocked. It shot well.
CW

Thats where the Ackley Imp shines, you aren't far behind the 250-3000, and in a more modern action you should equal it. For me it would be a walking coyote rifle. I already have a perfectly suitable 250 Sav, but it's the build and the fun that makes it interesting.

 

[Bret4207]

before i bought the Ruger #1 in 270 win, i was looking for the same gun, but in a 7x57 or 280 rem. when i was at a local gun show at my camp, i seen a beautiful wood stock Ruger #1 in 280 rem for $500. then all i heard was "i sold that gun already, but i do have a 270 win." i asked about the 7x57 and he said no, i do not. so i looked at the 270, no scratches or dents or anything else. it had a "plain jane" wood stock, which i compare to the 280's stock and then he said i'll take $100 off if you buy it. i looked at the tag, $425 and he will take $100 off.......$325 my mind said, while my mouth said "sold".

i killed 15-20 deer with it and i found that if you use Nosler Ballistic Tips (130 and 150gr) and you kill deer at 100 yards and less, you are better off if the BT is going 2700-2800fps, with emphasis of 2700fps, because the BT will mushroom, not act like a grenade. i was never a Jack O'Conner fan (or Roy Weatherby) but he did make the 270 win what it is today and much longer. i luv the 270, it doesn't kick as bad as the '06 and it sure does kill deer dead!!!

270 win

left group, 4 shots at 100 yards, 130gr Nosler BT and IMR4320

5 shots at 100 yards, 140gr Hornady SST and IMR4350

8pt taken at 10-12 feet with the 270 and 130gr Nosler BT

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a 270. Nor is there anything wrong with a 33 cal or 19 cal or a 9.3. If the 7x57 had been a 6.8 instead and the 30-40 Krag an 8mm we all might look on the 7mm and 30's as "in between". To each their own and enjoy. The important thing is you got a nice #1!

 

[Bret4207]

The 7mm Express was the first "deer rifle" I wanted! I wanted it in the Remington 700 Rifle. Then the changed it to the 280 and I lost favor. But I built one on a 1909 Mauser action with a Bishop stock and a Shillen barrel from Brownells. Its a but heavy but a good shooter.
I have had two Parker Hale 7mm Magnums. First was pretty but only shot so so. The second had plain wood but its a shooter! (Guess which I still have?) I cant bring myself ta sell the 280 but probably would if I could a Remington 700 tagged 7mm Express and looking as new. Just for ol times. A good friend has the pretty P&H cause he dont shoot so good anyhow.

CW

The "7mm Express" was a marketing gimmic by Remington to "rebrand" the cartridge previously known as the 280 Remington. That occurred int he early 80's IIRC. Weld been using 280's in my area for years, quite popular in fact. Remington was trying the same idea they used on the 244/6mm Remington. I never saw the need as the 280 had no issues I ever heard of.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

I dont remember dates either. I tried a search and didnt come up with much. But defineately after the early 80's cause, I was outta HS by then. So my dreamin was probably early 70's?
They called it the 7mm/06 for a while too. The whole deal with metrics is silly. As the 244/6mm when metric ending on 6mm Rem. But with the 280/7mm they went /decided upon 280????


The 6mm Rem was earlier no doubt, I know that one. (6mm was my Last build.)

 

[todd]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a 270. Nor is there anything wrong with a 33 cal or 19 cal or a 9.3. If the 7x57 had been a 6.8 instead and the 30-40 Krag an 8mm we all might look on the 7mm and 30's as "in between". To each their own and enjoy. The important thing is you got a nice #1!

i got a husqvarna m46 in 9.3x57

and a 1898 Springfield Armory in 30-40 Krag

 

[fiver]

my 30-40 is a model 95.
only airc it's marked 30 Army or something like that.

 

[Glaciers]

Yeah mine is a 95 as well, much more common in this country than the original 1898 Krag. I have only seen a very small handful up here.

 

[todd]

i've see two m95 n 30 Army. the one was for sale and the other i noticed in my gunsmith's store that was already bought. that one had an original aperture sight on it.

like this one

 

[L Ross]

i've see two m95 n 30 Army. the one was for sale and the other i noticed in my gunsmith's store that was already bought. that one had an original aperture sight on it.

like this one