Zastava .308 range results
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35 shooter
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I usually run one patch of atf oil through the bbl. after shooting and then one dry patch before shooting or hunting the next time.
It's worked like a charm in my 35 whelen for three years now and looks like it's going to be the same in my .308
This has worked with Ben's Red, Bll, and Fiver's Simple lube.....first shot always in the group.
BLL works in my whelen whether i clean the bbl. or not...in other words i can leave the bore fouled and my first cold bbl. shot ,days or weeks later, will be right in the group.
I haven't tried that with the .308 yet, so i used the oil to be sure...it worked just like in the whelen.
35 shooter
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Thanks Ben,
Looks like most of the bugs are worked out with this one now and i can just relax and see what it will do.
I'm out of xcb's right now, but may try some noe 315's through it this weekend with both pb and gc.
I really want to get some good plain base loads going for it. Also want a reciever sight for Christmas. I need to get the iron sights that came with it sighted in in the meantime.
So much to do and so little time lol. Hunting season is here!
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I shot the 4 xcb bullets i had left loaded at 44.5 gr. of imr 4350 over the chrony and the reults were
1. 2443 fps.
2. 2442 fps.
3. 2454 fps.
4. 2449 fps.
The chrony was 12 ft. in front of the bbl.
These 4 were what i had left from when i used the lee seating die that was sizing them down to .310", before i realized the problem.
They still shot into 1.6", but it's for sure they are shooting much tighter than that with the rcbs seater die.
I've got another batch cast and will ht them tonight so they will be ready for next weekend.
I also shot the same 44.5 gr. imr4350 load today with 5 noe 311315's. I actually shot them first....BUT...forgot to swab the atf oil out of the bbl. and the first shot was 1 1/2" left and the second was about 3" high. After that though, it put the last 3 all almost touching side by side @ 105 yds.
Looks like the 315 may like this load too, but i'll have to wait for the weekend to prove it.
I'll try to remember to get the oil out of the bore first next time....sheeesh!
I was guessing at 2350 fps. out of my 23.5" bbl., so i was very surprised at the 2400 plus fps. i got today.
1. 2443 fps.
2. 2442 fps.
3. 2454 fps.
4. 2449 fps.
The chrony was 12 ft. in front of the bbl.
These 4 were what i had left from when i used the lee seating die that was sizing them down to .310", before i realized the problem.
They still shot into 1.6", but it's for sure they are shooting much tighter than that with the rcbs seater die.
I've got another batch cast and will ht them tonight so they will be ready for next weekend.
I also shot the same 44.5 gr. imr4350 load today with 5 noe 311315's. I actually shot them first....BUT...forgot to swab the atf oil out of the bbl. and the first shot was 1 1/2" left and the second was about 3" high. After that though, it put the last 3 all almost touching side by side @ 105 yds.
Looks like the 315 may like this load too, but i'll have to wait for the weekend to prove it.
I'll try to remember to get the oil out of the bore first next time....sheeesh!
I was guessing at 2350 fps. out of my 23.5" bbl., so i was very surprised at the 2400 plus fps. i got today.
35 shooter
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Ben, the bnh is 27 and it's straight ht ww. Yes i would be a bit concerned about a shot through hard bone and fragmenting and meat loss.
I will be going for a broadside shot behind the shoulders first and see what the exit looks like.
The last deer i shot with the whelen was with this exact alloy and a 230 gr. fp.
The shot was at 2200 fps. at about 40 yds.
I hit the back side of the onside shoulder at the top of the scapula and centered the bottom of the scapula and the top of the legbone on the offside from a pretty extreme downward angle from my treestand.
There was a 2" exit through the meat(bone fragments), but only about a 1/2" hole through the hide on the offside.
The meat looked bloodshot on the lower offside, but when i cleaned the outer membrane off the meat, the blood rinsed right off....it wasn't bloodshot at all, just trapped under the membrane.
I was surprised at the results for sure.
If i have time i would like to work with a ht 50/50 alloy for hunting, or a #2 alloy.
I will be going for a broadside shot behind the shoulders first and see what the exit looks like.
The last deer i shot with the whelen was with this exact alloy and a 230 gr. fp.
The shot was at 2200 fps. at about 40 yds.
I hit the back side of the onside shoulder at the top of the scapula and centered the bottom of the scapula and the top of the legbone on the offside from a pretty extreme downward angle from my treestand.
There was a 2" exit through the meat(bone fragments), but only about a 1/2" hole through the hide on the offside.
The meat looked bloodshot on the lower offside, but when i cleaned the outer membrane off the meat, the blood rinsed right off....it wasn't bloodshot at all, just trapped under the membrane.
I was surprised at the results for sure.
If i have time i would like to work with a ht 50/50 alloy for hunting, or a #2 alloy.
Straight ATF?Nothing added?
We use 50/50,ATF..mineral spirits as sort of a snake oil in the shop for various chores.It stays mixed(emulsion).Use it some on guns for general this and that.Also cleans plastic and rubber on the shop truck exterior...doh.Hillbilly Nu-finish.
You're running it at the end of the day? down your brrls.As a protectant or as a cleaner?Thanks,BW
We use 50/50,ATF..mineral spirits as sort of a snake oil in the shop for various chores.It stays mixed(emulsion).Use it some on guns for general this and that.Also cleans plastic and rubber on the shop truck exterior...doh.Hillbilly Nu-finish.
You're running it at the end of the day? down your brrls.As a protectant or as a cleaner?Thanks,BW
35 shooter
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Yes, mainly because of the high humidity we have here in the south. I use straight atf oil(dex/merc from auto zone) after shooting and run 1 wet patch straight through the bore and out the bbl., then take it off before pulling the rod back through the bore.
Before shooting again i run a couple dry patches back and forth in the chamber, then 1 dry patch straight through the bore and out the end. I take the patch off before pulling the rod back through the bore...first shots in the group everytime from MY rifles.
It works the same for my brother in CO. in his H&R 35 whelen.
If i run more than 1 tight fitting dry patch through the bore, all bets are off on the first shot....1 tight dry patch is the charm!
I found through trial and error what works best for me.
I have found if i leave the bbl. in the fired condition, that BLL will still put the first shot centered in the group and Ben's Red will be very close to centered "somewhere" in the group.
As i said, i use the atf oil because of high humidity in my area. I'm really not so concerned with the bbl.(as Ben's Red and BLL takes care of that even in the fired condition) as i am with the chamber.
Still, i use the oil through the bbl. too if i'm going to store it for anytime...just makes me feel better and it works.
I rub the outside of all the metal parts of the rifle with atf oil too, but use a lighter oil for the inner workings of the bolt and trigger, just because the atf is so thick.
This works with BLL, Ben's Red, and also has worked well with Fiver's Simple lube.
I won't go hunting not knowing where my first shot will go...that's why i'm so hooked on Ben's lubes....well that plus the tight groups.
35 shooter
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Ben,
Just the truth about what works for my cast shooting and hunting. There may well be other lubes that would work well for me, but i never found them and i've had no need to look further since using yours....guess it's obvious i'm sold on both of your lubes lol.
Thank YOU and i hope they work as well for all who try it as it has for me.
Just the truth about what works for my cast shooting and hunting. There may well be other lubes that would work well for me, but i never found them and i've had no need to look further since using yours....guess it's obvious i'm sold on both of your lubes lol.
Thank YOU and i hope they work as well for all who try it as it has for me.
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Primitive season starts in the morning for me(need to work though), so i sighted in my 35 whelen this afternoon.
I took my .308 along too and shot the 44.5 gr. load of imr 4350 again with the xcb bullet
@ 2447 fps. @ 105 yds. and 3 coats of BLL lube.
1st 4 shots went into .996" and the 5th shot opened it to 1.367"
I had swabbed the atf oil out of the bore with one dry patch before shooting and the 1st shot hit the right edge of the 3/8" x ring centered.
I moved the scope up 2" and fired 2 shots side by side in .896" and declared it "ready for hunting season".
"Ol Ben" is officially ready for the deer woods!
I took my .308 along too and shot the 44.5 gr. load of imr 4350 again with the xcb bullet
@ 2447 fps. @ 105 yds. and 3 coats of BLL lube.
1st 4 shots went into .996" and the 5th shot opened it to 1.367"
I had swabbed the atf oil out of the bore with one dry patch before shooting and the 1st shot hit the right edge of the 3/8" x ring centered.
I moved the scope up 2" and fired 2 shots side by side in .896" and declared it "ready for hunting season".
"Ol Ben" is officially ready for the deer woods!
35 shooter
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This is a pic of the sight in target for the xcb today.I fired the 5 in the center first and then adj. the scope up 2" and shot 2 to verify zero and called it ready to hunt.
There is another group with the 311315 at the bottom of target, but i don't think it shows up. Good thing as it didn't like the load i shot with it anyway lol.