.323-20 [or... 8x32]

Elric

Elric

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For the last few weeks, I've been taking advantage of somewhat cool mornings and purged a lot of Honeysuckle, Buckthorn, and Prickly Ash. Had to cut a few Popples that had head toss this spring. Made me sad, but as long as the tree is still leafed out, the root isn't as likely to send up suckers...

Hour and a half drive one way. Lot of time to entertain idle thoughts...

NOTE: Please don't imagine that I did this every day. Today was mild and pleasant, my fourth cut on this old farm trail has pretty much completed what I wanted to get done. @ 700 feet, varying density. What I don't do to run my dogs...

What of a nearly straight tapered .32-20 case for an 8mm [.323] bullet? Akin to the .270 REN.
 
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Outpost75

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I had an 8x32R on a BSA Martini built by the late Chris Helbig of NJ. Huntington made the dies. Used RCBS Cadet bullet with the heel bored out and a nomimal case full.of 4198.
 
RicinYakima

RicinYakima

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Elric said:
For the last few weeks, I've been taking advantage of somewhat cool mornings and purged a lot of Honeysuckle, Buckthorn, and Prickly Ash. Had to cut a few Popples that had head toss this spring. Made me sad, but as long as the tree is still leafed out, the root isn't as likely to send up suckers...

Hour and a half drive one way. Lot of time to entertain idle thoughts...

NOTE: Please don't imagine that I did this every day. Today was mild and pleasant, my fourth cut on this old farm trail has pretty much completed what I wanted to get done. @ 700 feet, varying density. What I don't do to run my dogs...

What of a nearly straight tapered .32-20 case for an 8mm [.323] bullet? Akin to the .270 REN.
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Been done many times over the last 50 years. Do your research.
 
L Ross

L Ross

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Elric said:
For the last few weeks, I've been taking advantage of somewhat cool mornings and purged a lot of Honeysuckle, Buckthorn, and Prickly Ash. Had to cut a few Popples that had head toss this spring. Made me sad, but as long as the tree is still leafed out, the root isn't as likely to send up suckers...

Hour and a half drive one way. Lot of time to entertain idle thoughts...

NOTE: Please don't imagine that I did this every day. Today was mild and pleasant, my fourth cut on this old farm trail has pretty much completed what I wanted to get done. @ 700 feet, varying density. What I don't do to run my dogs...

What of a nearly straight tapered .32-20 case for an 8mm [.323] bullet? Akin to the .270 REN.
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That reminds me of the ammo I load for my Martini Cadet rifle. It was "rechambered" to .32-20 per the barrel stamping. Yah right! The rim cut allows a .32-20 case to be chambered but for those poor folks that bought one as surplus years ago and shot factory .32-20 ammo in it, accuracy must have been dismal. Maybe you could have used it for butchering?
So I picked this nice specimen up very reasonably and brought it home. The barrel slugs at .320 groove diameter. So I have a mould for the 8 m/m Nambu, (doesn't everyone?). It drops a nice little RN bullet at .322" and 90 grains. I expanded a .32-20 case and seated a Nambu bullet in it. I inserted it into the chamber and of course it is too long now to close the breech. I looked up the dimensions and learned the Cadet case is 1.20" long and the .32-20 is 1.315". I trimmed the .32-20 case back not only for the shorter length but also now I planned to seat a bullet in the case mouth that is not a heeled bullet, ala the Cadet.
By golly it works, and works well. 4.2 grains of Unique or about 3.5 grain of Trail Boss and I have a shootable little gun that is quite accurate and weighs very little.
Elric, maybe what I need to try next is a heavier 8 m/m bullet. Seems there is a short round nose Loverin style 8 around here in the debris field someplace.
Meanwhile LongHunter picked up a proper heeled 120 grain bullet for the Cadet, so there is that.
 
Elric

Elric

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fiver said:
why am i thinking of the 32 Miller?
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I looked it up, based on either the 222 Rimed or 357 Max brass with shoulders. Best I can determine it is not a straight case. It was developed as a contemporary to the 32-40 [or so it seems].
 
Elric

Elric

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L Ross said:
heavier 8 m/m bullet. Seems there is a short round nose Loverin style 8 around here in the debris field someplace.
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I'd agree with the Loverin bullet, that nose shape will stabilize much better than a spitzer.
323470 A very popular design by H. Guy Loverin. (GC, RN, 165 - TP is 470) though at moderate velocities, you might get away without the gas check. Perhaps NOE has something PB in that configuration.
 
Elric

Elric

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BudHyett said:
Be careful, you'll waste a lot of time reinventing the .32-20 CPA.
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Looking for data.
.32-20 CPA (similar to .32-20 WCF but with a .320" diameter barrel)

Still looking. I am not looking for an odd diameter, there is something nice about sizer dies in standard diameters... When [and if] more definitive information turns up, I'll share it.

The .32-20 CPA is a specialty case for breech-seating .321 diameter bullets.

Eh, looking at more things, and I'd rephrase that to "it depends". A few different bore sizes [.320-.323 or so], breech-seating or fixed ammo [fixed reduces powder capacity]
 
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fiver

fiver

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hey Lynn i happen to know NOE makes a 140gr. 8mm G/C bullet.
oddly it looks just like the lyman 311446, only a little shorter.
 
Elric

Elric

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RicinYakima said:
Sorry, it is all in books. You have to buy the information.
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The things I posted were true, not stepping back. Just a short version of a longer story... Gooble Books in the 2000s used to have many hits [eight plus pages, all good links] for "cast bullets", spend hours looking and reading period articles.

But the internet has become a psychotic mess, a mix of blogs, forums, reddit, sites you need to register for, disgracebook, Fibber, Gooble... Cut n paste replaces actual knowledge [but sometimes it's all we got]. What makes it far worse is the algorithms [if not filters] used by the search engines.

Being cynical, if you remember Fahrenheit 451, people memorized passages or whole books to safeguard the work from oblivion.

Here, we ask if somebody has heard of a subject. Is this just a foreshadowing of a time when our tech overlords try to "help" us even more?
 
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fiver

fiver

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well your search took 0.42 seconds and you got a reply from a machine, which quickly web searched everything you could in 4-5 days.
it ain't gonna get no better, and if the search engine is set to a bias you might not be able to even perform the search cause it'll all be blocked from it's memory.
 
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