6.5mm Jacketed bullets.

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
Morning everyone,

My buddy ran across some old stock NORMA bullets. They are lil 77g pills. Seller only wants to sell in 500 pc lotts. So he asked if I wanted to split them. I shoot a few 85g in my Grendel so said SURE.

Not so worried about data, Ill figure that. But wondered if anyone had information on the bullet. Its intended use maybe velocity range and such.

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Thanks guys

CW
 

Joshua

Taco Aficionado/Salish Sea Pirate/Part-Time Dragon
I’ve got the current Norma manual as a PDF file. There is no mention of a 77 grain bullet. There are a few references out there to this bullet being loaded in 6.5x55mm as a factory load. They made both FMJ and SP. The Brit’s used it as a fox hunting bullet.

 

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
Yes, its a old bullet no doubt!!
I was thinking (THE BULLET MIGHT BE DESIGNED FOR) the Jap or M&S. The Swede makes sense too.
Thanks man!

CW
 
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Jeff H

NW Ohio
Having become a fan of the 6.5x55 in the eighties, I've scoured sources of information over the years and do remember that specific weight in the 6.5x55, but paid little attention, since my "thing" is for the 160s, so I'm 1) basing this on memory which is stretching back a little and 2) regarding something I wasn't specifically interested in and probably only had an impression of, so what's in MY head regarding these is subject to question/correction.

I remember these being available from before I got interested in the cartridge (6.5x55) and think they were more popular in Europe - being intended as a way to extend the usefulness of a single cartridge chambering. I had the impression they were for common game in Northern Europe - smaller than the typical ungulate. I don't THINK they were specifically varmint bullets, as we see them in the US, but I THINK I remember that weight being available in full-patch ammo, ostensibly to reduce fur damage.

My LEE manual (the first one) shows 70, 77, 80 and 85 grain "jacketed bullets" (no constriction/nose details) for the 6.5x55, using only VV powders, but the Carcano and Arisaka start at 100 grains using other powders, which leads me back to Northern Europe as a possible source of information. Maybe a VV reloading manual has some data, background or application suitability information.

Side-note: I sold my grail rifle (Sporterized 09 Argentine in 6.5x55) to my brother because I just wiull never get to hunt with it and I hate wasting the ever rarer 160 grain Hornady and Sierra bullets on paper. He sent me a pic night before last of a nice 11-point he got with it at 189 yards. He was impressed that he'd zeroed it at 100 yards and didn't think to hold over at almost twice that for the slow, heavy projectile. Tagged it right where he held. I had intended to eventually try 85s in it because wood chucks are plentiful here, but I never got that far with it. 20-year project I never completely finished - the barrel is still "in the white," but dang if this thing won't shoot.

My take - TAKE the bullets and experiment. They're hard enough to find these days and they may turn out to be useful for something, even if it's just for fun. If you're shooting tight twists geared toward long, heavy bullets, you may have to slow them down a bit, but they could still yield a fair amount of trigger-time without using up over-priced boutique bullets of the day or hard to find, older heavies which gave the 6.5 its reputation to begin with. 250 or 500 is enough to find a decent load and have enough left to play with.
 

Spindrift

Well-Known Member
Interesting!
Norma 6,5 bullets are generally very common in Norway. But I’ve never heard of that bullet! Must be quite old.
I’ve had pretty good luck with light bullets in the 6,5x55. I bet those will shoot just fine!

Talking of heavier 6,5 jacketed bullets; Norma Oryx 156 grs and Lapua Mega 155 grs are very good, proven big game bullets, responsible for downing a considerable number of moose here in Scandinavia every year. The Oryx is a core bonded bullet with a pure lead core. The Mega has mechanical lock (somewhat stronger than the Interlock), and the alloy in the core is a bit harder than the Oryx. Both are extremely reliable, and very accurate.
 

BudHyett

Active Member
Morning everyone,

My buddy ran across some old stock NORMA bullets. They are lil 77g pills. Seller only wants to sell in 500 pc lotts. So he asked if I wanted to split them. I shoot a few 85g in my Grendel so said SURE.

Not so worried about data, Ill figure that. But wondered if anyone had information on the bullet. Its intended use maybe velocity range and such.

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Thanks guys

CW
These are the most fun to shoot, in a 29-inch Swedish Mauser military barrel. With a full case of 4064 or 4350, (I no longer have the gun or load (1960's), they go 4,000 feet-per-second and blow up sometimes between 75 and 100 yards.

They are absolutely devastating on Midwest ground squirrels. These and the Norma 93 grain .30 Mauser bullet in a .30-'06 with a case full of 4064 accounted for many fun afternoons in ground squirrel pastures. They are a treasure, but I no longer have a 6.5 caliber rifle and am no longer in the Midwest.

Good find!
 

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
I can't imagine that small dia, lighweight 77gr would stabilize in a Jap Type 38 barrel.
Why not Jon? You cannot "OVER STABILIZE " a bullet.

I shoot 85's into bug holes with the 1:7 this rifle has.

Its the OTHER WAY, that it dosent work so well. UNDER stabilized. Like long for caliber bullets.

CW
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
Couple of notes , the Carcano and Japanese need .268 vs .264 bullets . So you're looking at Swedes , Mann , and US variations of the 6.5 .

I'll bet you could get those up to 4000 fps in a WM .
 
Morning everyone,

My buddy ran across some old stock NORMA bullets. They are lil 77g pills. Seller only wants to sell in 500 pc lotts. So he asked if I wanted to split them. I shoot a few 85g in my Grendel so said SURE.

Not so worried about data, Ill figure that. But wondered if anyone had information on the bullet. Its intended use maybe velocity range and such.

View attachment 23652
Thanks guys

CW
It was an attempt to come up with a varmint bullet for the 6.5x55. Twist is all wrong but I got some to hold 2" at 100 from my M96 sniper.
 

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
Ha! As we all know and have learned each firearm is a entity unto itself.

I shoot allotta 300 BO W/1:7 and most all
Of them shoot 110g bullets supersonic at or better then MOA. Yet, checking the "books" they say no. :headscratch:
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
Couple of notes , the Carcano and Japanese need .268 vs .264 bullets . So you're looking at Swedes , Mann , and US variations of the 6.5 .

I'll bet you could get those up to 4000 fps in a WM .
There were .263 bullets at one time too. I had a box of old CIL (Canadian) 160 RNs once which were .263" and from what I could gather on them, they were made that way on purpose.

Sierra (maybe others) once made .307" bullets for the 30/30, but I threw that box away long ago. My dad and I got a bunch of those cheap, in the 70s, but they worked just fine in my Savage 24V.

Got a bulk bag of 100 Remington 6.5mm, 140 grain Remington PSPCLs that were all over the map once. Wrote Remington and they replied that the bullet in question was a two-diameter bullet for the 264 Win Mag and wouldn't be good for the 'Swede anyway (ironically recommended the Nosler 120 grain) and noted that the wild variations I got would have been the result of setting up the cannelure the beginning of a run.

Those things make me measure at least a sample from EVERY box of bullets - at least until I stopped buying bullets.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I still have some Sierra 30-30 .307 in the box someplace.

I was going to mention the allegedly oversized Jap 6.5 bore but someone beat me to it. I think they vary. Regardless, the 160 Hornady RN usually will shoot in them, or at least well enough. There have been .268's offered in the past. Not sure you can still get them or not.
 

JonB

Halcyon member
Why not Jon? You cannot "OVER STABILIZE " a bullet.

I shoot 85's into bug holes with the 1:7 this rifle has.

Its the OTHER WAY, that it dosent work so well. UNDER stabilized. Like long for caliber bullets.

CW
I could be wrong, I just surmise that a undersized lightweight bullet will not grip the smooth metford rifling of the Type 38. Think blowby as well as lightweight bullet. My custom Type 38 with chamber recut (257Rx6.5) in original military barrel has a .2685 groove dia.
 

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
I bought these for my Grendel.

The posting about the Carc and Jap W/over sized barrels was a informational posting. Some folks didnt know of there over sized bores. RBHarper made that posting.

Your correct the under size, would likely be a problem. (If that was what I intended to use them in)