91 argentine sporterized
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Bret4207
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Thousands of deer and bear have fallen to very similar rifles. Many of them shot with Norma ammo that was very, very close on the heels of the '06. Meanwhile, later designs in 7x57 and 8x57 were said to be unsafe unless used with anemic US factory loads. Always had to wonder what made the '91 so much stronger. 
Rick H
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I think the anemic loads were do to the smaller J bore guns in 7x57. Seems some Mausers used a tighter bore than others and the later larger diameter full power loads fired in the tight bores could cause a problem. The Europeans figured they would load small diameter rounds for the old stuff and mark as such, and full power larger diameter stuff for those designed for it.
The US manufacturers made one that would do for both....anemic in the modern gun and stressing the older one, without blowing it up.
That is the way it was explained to me. Not sure but makes sense. The US manufacturers didn't want to make two types of ammo for the European stuff so just made one size "kinda fits all" to hold some over until they could buy "Merican" stuff.
The US manufacturers made one that would do for both....anemic in the modern gun and stressing the older one, without blowing it up.
That is the way it was explained to me. Not sure but makes sense. The US manufacturers didn't want to make two types of ammo for the European stuff so just made one size "kinda fits all" to hold some over until they could buy "Merican" stuff.
oscarflytyer
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FINALLY getting my heavily sportered 6.5 Swede project finished up (started 30 yrs ago!). Will post some pics when complete.
todd
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that has to be my favorite round. i did a semi custom 98 mauser for my oldest boy in 7 mauser. a 20" douglas with a 139gr hornady fn (discontinued) with imr 3031 was heaven. i and my son have killed deer with it. my son holds the longest shot with a 7 mauser, 247 yards. although most of them are killed 20-40 yards away. i have 150 bullets and some 200 loaded cartridges for the 7 mauser(139gr hornady fn).
Bret4207
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The the "JS" bore guns were 8mm, not the 7's. And the 91 Argentine isn't a 7 or 8mm, it's 7.65x53 using .311 bullets. Back in the day it was loaded and chambered in the Winchester 54 and Remingtons Enfield based bolt gun- Model 30? Anyway it was pretty popular. That was in the 30's I believe. After WW2 about the only ammo you could get until the late 90's at least was Norma, maybe CIL. The Norma stuff was HOT, real hot. 150's were up past what would become 308 levels and chasing the '06. There wasn't enough difference in factory loads to be notice by game in the mid weights. The '06's larger capacity showed above 150 grs, although the 215's loaded in the Argie were certainly nothing to sneeze at.
My comment on the 91 being so much stronger was meant in jest. It's not that it's any stronger than a 98, it's probably not since the design on the 98 is a later development. But Normas views on consumer products differed wildly from US ammunition makers views. The underloaded 7x57 US ammo goes back to the Remington Rolling Blocks in 7x57 IIRC. I used one for a few years. "Smokeless action" or not, it had a 20" barrel and the ammo supplied to me as a 15 year old kid was handloads of unknown origin and Norma factory loads. This was also back in the days when hearing protection was for sissies. The fact I can hear anything and can grow any facial hair after the fireballs that Roller produced is surely a miracle!
My comment on the 91 being so much stronger was meant in jest. It's not that it's any stronger than a 98, it's probably not since the design on the 98 is a later development. But Normas views on consumer products differed wildly from US ammunition makers views. The underloaded 7x57 US ammo goes back to the Remington Rolling Blocks in 7x57 IIRC. I used one for a few years. "Smokeless action" or not, it had a 20" barrel and the ammo supplied to me as a 15 year old kid was handloads of unknown origin and Norma factory loads. This was also back in the days when hearing protection was for sissies. The fact I can hear anything and can grow any facial hair after the fireballs that Roller produced is surely a miracle!
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FrankCVA42
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The 1891 Argentine mauser was my first high pwered rifle. Back when I got it you had two choices for ammo Argentine military surplus courtesy of Interarms or the expensive Norma. Original loadings by Norma was a 150 grain bullet at 2900 fps more or less. And they didn't make any safety statements wether for the 1891 or later 1909 mausers in that caliber. Got a 3 die set from RCBS and a form and trim die. Made cases from 1950's Israeli surplus 8mm mauser brass. Anneal, form and try the fit in the chamber or adjust for a slight crush fit and load .311-.312 bullets with IMR 4895. So I'm kinda partial to the 1891 model. Still keep a couple around and shoot them occasionally. Ben helped get me one that had been customized and another from Larry Gibson.
FrankCVA42
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Did I mention I liked the old 1891's??. Used to by the junkers at local gun shows. Good source for parts. Stock were done by bubba. Saved them all just in case. Couple things to watch out for. Extractors can chip at the claw and one bolt I have actually has a crack in the bolt face. First I ever saw like that. Thought at first it was some dirt or grease. used a scribe to check and definitely a crack. Have fun with yours. Frank