Are there any flexible spherical powders?

[fiver]

I'm pretty sure these aren't

pretty sure they are.
did you know you can use 2230 in the 357 max?
it also works great in the 30-30 and the 25-20.
it's also pretty good at going a bit fast with cast bullets or flinging Jaxketed in the 0-6.

number-9 is great in the 300 b.o. at around 1500 fps, it also is pretty darn good at anything that blue-dot would do, only without the restrictions.

1680 works just fine in the 308 and 30-06 at about 22grs.
4100 is the overlap for 2400 only a click faster, give 16-17grs a run in your 08 or the dash equivalent.

i could go on and on about some of the ball powders being used in shot shell applications.
if they burn well at 10-K they'll work at 20 or 30.... red-dot does and it's pretty much listed right behind blank speed powders.

 

[kenton]

AA-1680, AA-2230, AA number-9, AA-4100.
there ain't much if any data for most of them, but they all work just fine,,, i bet number-5 and 2 could easily be pressed into service if you had some.

years back VV put out a cast bullet manual and it was pretty much the same as the lyman no-4 book which uses 5744 like it's cheap, only it was mostly N-110.

jus sayin,,, but 2400 is pretty much a ball powder anyway.

Looking over Hodgdon's website data I'm pretty sure Accurate 2230 is the same as Ramshot X-Terminator, and Accurate 4100 is the same as Enforcer. I haven't found any public statements to that effect so it might be worth what you paid for it.

 

[fiver]

they are the same.
ramshot and accurate sold the same powders just with different names.
of course they were both western powder at the time.
but they had the same-same up and down the line.
no i dunno why.

 

[TXTad]

Looking over Hodgdon's website data I'm pretty sure Accurate 2230 is the same as Ramshot X-Terminator, and Accurate 4100 is the same as Enforcer. I haven't found any public statements to that effect so it might be worth what you paid for it.

they are the same.
ramshot and accurate sold the same powders just with different names.
of course they were both western powder at the time.
but they had the same-same up and down the line.
no i dunno why.

As were some Hodgdon and Winchester, notably H414 / W760, and H110 / W296. Many are not duplicated, and a few that are which are not both available here, such as AA2520 / Ramshot WildBoar.

Interestingly, Hodgdon seems to have actually discontinued H414, while it continues to offer both H110 and W296.

 

[Ian]

They discontinued WW780 Supreme, too. One of my life rules is that Hodgdon will discontinue the only powder that made good groups with your favorite rifle. 760/414 is the best powder I ever found for 160-grain jax bullets in the military Swedish Mausers.

That's the way it has always been with Hodgdon since the whole business model was to buy whatever bulk powder was cheap, develop data for it, and make it available in canister quantities to Joe Consumer. I consider Hodgdon to be the BigLots! of component suppliers.

 

[RicinYakima]

And that is why they own the powder business in the US. Everyone is too cheap to buy the good stuff.

 

[Spindrift]

Here in Norway, Vihtavuori powders are fairly competitively priced, and availability is generally good (not lately, though). I'm a happy customer, it's a good thing when a powder brand makes all their own powders.

 

[Winelover]

If you peruse Powder Valley's site, VV powders are becoming much more competitively priced, with the recent lack of availability and price increases of the other options.

 

[JonB]

SNIP>>>
. I consider Hodgdon to be the BigLots! of component suppliers.

did you mention Big Lots because of the recent news?

Big Lots to close up to 40 stores, and its survival is in doubt

Big Lots cites "substantial doubt" about its ability to continue as going concern, discount retailer says in SEC filing.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[TXTad]

Here in Norway, Vihtavuori powders are fairly competitively priced, and availability is generally good (not lately, though). I'm a happy customer, it's a good thing when a powder brand makes all their own powders.

If you peruse Powder Valley's site, VV powders are becoming much more competitively priced, with the recent lack of availability and price increases of the other options.

About the only thing that I want that I haven't been able to find is H4350. I see N160 is quite close. I wonder if it is close enough? It looks like it might be closer than the other 4250s.

 

[Winelover]

About the only thing that I want that I haven't been able to find is H4350. I see N160 is quite close. I wonder if it is close enough? It looks like it might be closer than the other 4250s.

I've always used AA 4350..................cheaper and a favorite for some of my rifles with jacketed bullets.

 

[TXTad]

I've always used AA 4350..................cheaper and a favorite for some of my rifles with jacketed bullets.

Right now that is almost as hard to find as H4350, and costs almost as much when you do find it. Natchez has N150 and N160 for $299 per 8# jug right now.

 

[Spindrift]

I see N160 is quite close.

N160 is extremely useful in .30-06, and similar cartridges. I haven't used it for cast, though.

 

[Ian]

did you mention Big Lots because of the recent news?

Big Lots to close up to 40 stores, and its survival is in doubt

Big Lots cites "substantial doubt" about its ability to continue as going concern, discount retailer says in SEC filing.

www.cbsnews.com

No, I didn't know they were in trouble. I made the analogy because Hodgdon is a clearing house for surplus powders and a remanufacturing outlet for base stocks. You get what you get when you get it and if you can still get it in a few years it's not going to be quite the same because it is remade from different stuff....if it was popular enough to remake in the first place.

 

[fiver]

they took that model from winchester.
make something, put out the data in a pamphlet and then never make it again.
win. AAP anyone? yeah? i got about 8lbs. and data for 2 shot shell hulls, one of them with a wad you can't get anymore.

 

[RicinYakima]

That is the chemistry of double based powders. You can reformulate it forever and make something "new". That is why the single based powders are goin extinct. It is one formula and all you can do is reshape the grains.

 

[Tomme boy]

Here VV powders are now cheaper than everything else but SW. But just about every type of SW is OOS. Te had a small shipment about a month ago and it went OOS the same day everywhere.

 

[Ian]

they took that model from winchester.
make something, put out the data in a pamphlet and then never make it again.
win. AAP anyone? yeah? i got about 8lbs. and data for 2 shot shell hulls, one of them with a wad you can't get anymore.

I got a lifetime supply of .38 Special RFN powder when I traded a nearly full 16-lb drum of 472AA to a guy for giving a couple pounds back...with load data that I mined and then worked up for him. Speer #11 has data that can be extrapolated.

 

[fiver]

chuckle.
i'm not scared...LOL
one of these days i'll shoot it in sumthin.... maybe,, hell i dunno.
kids'll probably end up fertilizing some cabbage with it [shrug] if i don't.

 

[beagle]

Been following this thead with interest. I beleive the intent of the thread was to discover a spherical powder suitable for cast rifle that was flexible. To me that means loads from the Hornet on up.
So far, I haven’t seen a candidate put forth.
Sure, in these days and times, we use what is available. I do it and make it work and so do you. Hard times force this on us and we’re experienced loaders and look at burn rates and interpolate and get away with it.
But, after saying this, I don’t know a powder that has near the flexibility as Unique which is spherical. May be out there but I’m unaware of it./beagle