Marketing Ploy Or Real?
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fiver
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back in the day... LOL
they had a few different primer diameters and lots of different brisance levels in shot shells.
I still have some 97 and 57 primers that are smaller in diameter than the 209 size.
even to this day nobody quite agrees on what diameter or length a shot shell primer should be.
if you use Winchester primers in some of the Remington hulls it's recommended to use a drill bit to open up the bottom of the plastic.
and if you use some of the foreign primers you'll open the pockets too far for most of the American made primers to seat in properly.
they had a few different primer diameters and lots of different brisance levels in shot shells.
I still have some 97 and 57 primers that are smaller in diameter than the 209 size.
even to this day nobody quite agrees on what diameter or length a shot shell primer should be.
if you use Winchester primers in some of the Remington hulls it's recommended to use a drill bit to open up the bottom of the plastic.
and if you use some of the foreign primers you'll open the pockets too far for most of the American made primers to seat in properly.
Interesting I've never used anything but the 209's. My first knee jerk reaction was it's just a marketing thing, but then I thought about it a minute an thought maybe not. I know that in the past ammo company's were not in favor of reloading and tried to discourage it. I thought maybe Sears who didn't actually make the shells they just marketed them was trying to take a possible negative and turn it into a selling point. I also thought of the aluminum CCI Blazer pistol loads with there odd sized primers. Anyway thanks I learned something today.
CWLONGSHOT
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Yup my fordt thoughtbwas the ol 57 size to the "new" 209 size we only use now.
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fiver
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iirc it was Remington that even had a special 410 only primer, it was quite a low brisance primer.
I can't dredge up the specifics from the back of my head on why they even made it, but it was available to the public for a few years.
to make things even more fun.
Winchester used to make different primers for other countries, Australia in particular used to get some odd ball stuff like they wanted to test a market somewhere before doing the final packaging for America's consumers.
they'd get stuff like the AA compression formed hull disguised with high brass heads, a few different brisance primers with varying load data for each one, and all sorts of stuff like that.
that was before they flipped and was having other companies [Nobelsport] make their primers for them to use in their low dollar promo loads. [send them a specification and they send you a product]
those companies [nobelsport] of course dumped their extra's on the market along with their normal primer.
making things even more confusing for the consumer because you now had a low brisance primer with almost the same number as the normal primer from company A, but with the same measurements as the Winchester primers on the market ''only they looked just like the ones you got in your promo winchester shells''
don't even get me started on the Federal hulls that took Rio's over sized primers because the hulls were made by Rio.
only they were cleverly disguised as federal stuff by having the federal name all over them, only nothing federal made fit or stayed in the hull.
I can't dredge up the specifics from the back of my head on why they even made it, but it was available to the public for a few years.
to make things even more fun.
Winchester used to make different primers for other countries, Australia in particular used to get some odd ball stuff like they wanted to test a market somewhere before doing the final packaging for America's consumers.
they'd get stuff like the AA compression formed hull disguised with high brass heads, a few different brisance primers with varying load data for each one, and all sorts of stuff like that.
that was before they flipped and was having other companies [Nobelsport] make their primers for them to use in their low dollar promo loads. [send them a specification and they send you a product]
those companies [nobelsport] of course dumped their extra's on the market along with their normal primer.
making things even more confusing for the consumer because you now had a low brisance primer with almost the same number as the normal primer from company A, but with the same measurements as the Winchester primers on the market ''only they looked just like the ones you got in your promo winchester shells''
don't even get me started on the Federal hulls that took Rio's over sized primers because the hulls were made by Rio.
only they were cleverly disguised as federal stuff by having the federal name all over them, only nothing federal made fit or stayed in the hull.
fiver
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I still have some '5' left too, and some Alcan max-flite wads, the ones that had a graphite slick coating and the cork inserts.
I got some others I forget the name of that have a little plastic insert that crushes down to fit your shot amount.
good lord I just remembered I also have a box of brand new Remington all American hulls and a case of wads for them, those must go back to 65-66.[they pre-date the RXP hull by a year or 2]
I think they might take the 97 primer.
I have a couple CCI 109's [white boxes with blue writing] and some of their sporting clay [short lived] primers, those come in orange boxes with black writing.
I did my best a while back to go through and load up all the odds and ends I had of old weird 'wonder wads' and leftover primers.
I'm working my way through all of it and re-stocking with this and that as I go.
I got some others I forget the name of that have a little plastic insert that crushes down to fit your shot amount.
good lord I just remembered I also have a box of brand new Remington all American hulls and a case of wads for them, those must go back to 65-66.[they pre-date the RXP hull by a year or 2]
I think they might take the 97 primer.
I have a couple CCI 109's [white boxes with blue writing] and some of their sporting clay [short lived] primers, those come in orange boxes with black writing.
I did my best a while back to go through and load up all the odds and ends I had of old weird 'wonder wads' and leftover primers.
I'm working my way through all of it and re-stocking with this and that as I go.
