Recoil Comparisons for 348 WCF and 405 WCF

[Glaciers]

Oscar my advise to you about the recoil issue between the to rifles and calibers is to just buy both rifles and forget about the recoil factor. The "cool" factor of these rifles will make the recoil immaterial. Just saying.

 

[smokeywolf]

Here's a pic of one of my boys shooting the Model '95 takedown in 30-06. I also love the Lyman 41 receiver sight with the aperture peep on it.

First Range Day In,,, Too Long!

Finally got to take the boys to the range. I won't go to the range on weekends anymore. Too many "spray-n-pray" idiots. Also, guys fooling with their rifles at the firing line during cease fires. Some of you may remember, over a year ago I think, I bought Dad's Garand back from the son of Dad's...

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I posted a pic of the 71 just a few weeks back.

 

[CZ93X62]

Very few rifles here with crescent buttplates. The T/C Hawken has one (54 caliber), and I recall that Minie/Maxi balls were NOT fun to shoot much past 70 grains of Goex Flaming Dirt. It wears a PRB barrel now, and even with heavy loads it isn't daunting--280 grain RBs vs. 370 grain Maxis. I need to try Bret's shouldering method as above, THAT will be hard to adapt to with a hurried hunting shot.

 

[Bret4207]

That was RBHarter Al. I use the same method. The more pronounced the curve of the buttplate, the more it's shouldered outboard and onto the ball of the shoulder or a little outboard of that even. I'm not a fan of the crescent buttplate, although I love the look. It's something you put up with IMO. I like them pretty flat and with some give, even on a 22. IMO it seems to make things easier to lock into a solid hold. But that's just me, others may like something different.

 

[CZ93X62]

Aight--thanks for clearing up the sourcing. Gotta try that. I feel the same way you do about buttstock forms, though--flat-fronted and a little 'sticky'.

 

[oscarflytyer]

SO I guess IF I found a good priced '95 in 405, I would prob spring for it!

OK - I did... Found a Winchester 1895 (modern) in 405 Winchester last night on GB, with some new brass. Price was reasonable and didn't have to get into a bidding war. It has a recoil pad issue/will have to be replaced (prob worst recoil pad install I have ever seen), but that is easy and inexpensive. Good news is, stock face looks fine in the pics. Got on RCBS's list for dies last night, and got an email this morning that they had them - ordered and on the way.

That leaves molds. I sent Glacier a pm asking about some he mentioned earlier. Will see what he has. Barring that, I will post in the WTB section.

Any recommended loads/molds would be appreciated. Think I have all the powders you can think of. I am looking for ~1300-1400 fps loads, 300 grn and below - think 45-70 Trapdoor loads (405 gr/1350 fps - FUN to shoot).

I am looking at HL #295 - Venturino's article on 40-72 and 405. He has a lot of loads with ~300 grnrs and A-5744 that are very mild - that will be my starting point

 

[fiver]

venturino uses 5744 at 90$ a pound you say?
probably backing up linotype bullets with it too.

 

[oscarflytyer]

venturino uses 5744 at 90$ a pound you say?
probably backing up linotype bullets with it too.

lmoa! I have 3 lbs of 5744 so all good! And think he is using 1:20 (least what I plan to use).

Key thing is the data that is low and slow ~1350 fps fun stuff.

 

[fiver]

chuckle,,, couldn't resist
i think you'll be okay, or still have 2lbs. and 12 ounces of the 'stuff' while looking at plan B.

 

[462]

venturino uses 5744 at 90$ a pound you say?
probably backing up linotype bullets with it too.

And that's the truth.

 

[Missionary]

For plinkers in our 405 1895 repro we shoot any cast bullet weight at 1600 +- fps. 250-345 grains so far. All are comfortable.
We seldom sit at a bench but do sit behind cross sticks. Also standing, leaning on a post or tree. Comes in handy for actual hunting.
We also shoot our 405 up to 1850 with the same 250-345 grain cast. But then we have had that rifle 10 years and it has a nice soft slip on recoil pad.
For powder we have used 5744 for plinkers but when Buffalo Rifle came out we bought a bunch. Same as 5744.

 

[Matt]

If you’ve got a any .41 magnum molds and some fairly soft alloy they worked pretty well in a friend’s original .405 Winchester years ago.
12 grains of Unique and the old Ideal 410426 bullet fed and shot pretty well. Some jacketed Sierra 170 gr jacketed bullets shot pretty well with the same charge of Unique. Comfortable to shoot of course.

 

[oscarflytyer]

For plinkers in our 405 1895 repro we shoot any cast bullet weight at 1600 +- fps. 250-345 grains so far. All are comfortable.
We seldom sit at a bench but do sit behind cross sticks. Also standing, leaning on a post or tree. Comes in handy for actual hunting.
We also shoot our 405 up to 1850 with the same 250-345 grain cast. But then we have had that rifle 10 years and it has a nice soft slip on recoil pad.
For powder we have used 5744 for plinkers but when Buffalo Rifle came out we bought a bunch. Same as 5744.

Thanx. Sticks are no problem - I like them. And will have to replace the horrible pad job somebody did, so will def get a good one - again, no problem. Also have a PAST pad if it gets ugly. And have a bunch of 5744.

 

[oscarflytyer]

If you’ve got a any .41 magnum molds and some fairly soft alloy they worked pretty well in a friend’s original .405 Winchester years ago.
12 grains of Unique and the old Ideal 410426 bullet fed and shot pretty well. Some jacketed Sierra 170 gr jacketed bullets shot pretty well with the same charge of Unique. Comfortable to shoot of course.

Thanx Matt - I know Waters mentioned 41 Mag cast and jkt'd bullets. Would be real fun indoor 25 yd paper punchers. Maybe I could even convince them to let me use it in a carbine bowling pin match with that load!

 

[Glaciers]

Sorry Oscar those were both nice molds. Ever NEI mold I’ve used/owned that Walt made I’ve been very pleased with.

 

[fiver]

ditto.
open and shake close an go.