Temptation.....again!

Jeff H

NW Ohio
Well, I've cast HPs, but the old way. Not like serious fun or anything, and slow.

I've been keeping an eye on the site now myself. I'm thinking that with flat-nose and HP pins, I could get a lot of mileage out of one mould. I want to try one of these.

If I could find the 35 cal, 175 grain RFN, like the Ranch Dog Outdoors model with such pins, I think I could end up using ONE mould for everything I'm doing.
 

358156 hp

At large, whereabouts unknown.
Mihas molds you just pour as normal and the pins stay in? so even I can do it?
Mihas are Cramer style HP moulds, with the pins that run horizontally to carry the vertical HP pins. The moulds must be preheated since the pins themselves must be hot too. After you get the hang of casting with them, all you really need to do to drop the bullets is break the sprue and invert the mould before tapping on the handle picot pin a mite to release the castings from the HP pins. This is what the moulds look like, stolen directly from Mihas website: https://www.mp-molds.com/mp-molds-gallery/

I grew up with Ideal single cavity moulds, and am still really comfortable with the design, but the pace is maddening slow to me anymore.
 
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Steel13

Member
Miha provides mold lube with his molds. Use it very sparingly. I use a Q-tip to apply it on the hollow point guide pins and the alignment pins. If you get into the hollow pin/ cavity you’ll have difficulty getting proper fill out.
 

358156 hp

At large, whereabouts unknown.
I've never received any sort of lube from Miha. He must like you better :). I have plenty of appropriate lubes I can use as needed.
 

Steel13

Member
It’s just 2 cycle engine oil. Lmao! Bullshop from the Boolits site, made a small fortune repackaging and selling small dispensers full of Bullshop lube.
 

L Ross

Well-Known Member
It’s just 2 cycle engine oil. Lmao! Bullshop from the Boolits site, made a small fortune repackaging and selling small dispensers full of Bullshop lube.
Every time I mix up 2 stroke gas for my Stihl tools I carefully drain the Stihl Synthetic 2 stroke bottles. Soon you have a couple of onces in an eye dropper bottle. Enough to lube bullet moulds with a Q-Tip for eternity.
Good for Bullshop! Small fortunes are better than no fortunes and really better than misfortune!
 

Glen

Moderator
Staff member
OK, I just had to try some of these in +P loads, so I loaded up a batch of these 147 grain 30-1 HPs over 8.6 grains of HS-7 with Winchester Small Pistol primers. Based on the pressure tested data in the Hodgdon #26 manual, I estimate that this combination generates about 18-19,000 CUP peak pressure. Velocities ran -- 1070 fps (4"), 989 fps (3"), 970 fps (2"). Accuracy was good. I really like this load!

640 147 HP in 2 inch snub.jpg
 

Glen

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Staff member
This summer I've been working with the MP .360-640 HP, which weighs 146 grains when cast nice and soft with 30-1 alloy. Initially, my justification for doing this was to get a HP light enough and soft enough to go fast enough to expand when shot from a 2-3" .38 Special snubby at standard pressures (not all snubbies can handle a steady diet of +P ammunition), and yet still heavy enough to shoot to the sights in fixed sight carry guns. I like to take my carry guns along on summer varmint hunting trips, and the MP .360-640 HP cast soft loaded over 6.9 grains of HS-6 will generate 875-925 fps from 2-4" revolvers (at about 15,000 CUP), and shoot to the sights. Shooting varmints with your carry guns is a great way to practice, gain experience, and build confidence with a snubby (not to mention honing your stalking skills since you'll need to get moderately close).

38 special with MP 147 HP.jpg

But I had an ulterior motive for working with the 146 grain MP .360-640 HP at standard .38 Special pressures. About 20 years ago, I bought a S&W M&P Model 1905 Target (second change). This gun was made around 1908, and has some scratches and dings, and is missing some bluing in places, but mechanically it’s tight, and the bore and cylinder are in excellent shape. This gun was made before S&W started heat-treating cylinders and barrels, so this gun gets shot with standard pressure cast bullet loads ONLY (NO +P or jacketed bullets). This 146 HP/6.9 HS-6 load is well-suited for this accurate old gun. I haven’t chronographed this load/gun combination yet, but it should be going just a hair over 950 fps. An old school varmint blaster, pre-WWI style!

M&P 1905 right side small.jpgM&P 1905 left side.jpgM&P 1905 front sight.jpgM&P 1905 rear sight.jpg

At some point in the past, some unknown gunsmith did a really nice action job on this revolver. SA is very crisp, and breaks cleanly at 2 lbs 3 oz. DA is butter smooth, start to finish, and averages 8 lbs. 4 oz.
 
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Jeff H

NW Ohio
Jeff H -- that mould is a dandy! You're going to really like that one...

Thanks for the pics, Glen! Lovely bullet there. Just seems like a good all-'rounder.

Shipping was only $26 and I got several e-mails this morning already that it has shipped - last seen at an airport in Slovenia.:)
 

Thumbcocker

Active Member

Glen

Moderator
Staff member
That old S&W M&P Target does indeed seem to like the soft 147 HP (ignore the flyer at 12 o'clock, that was the first shot out of a clean, dry bore). I didn't chronograph this combination, but it should be doing about 950 fps.
1905 M&PT with 147 HP std pressure.jpg
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
Seeing such results is very gratifying. Thank you far taking time to follow up.


The two moulds you just cost me (yeah, I'm blaming both on you) have yet to have had a decent test.

Thank you for both of those too, by the way.