250gr Speer 35cal. soft points at Midway

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Jeff H

NW Ohio
Good to see some SENSIBLE and USEFUL bullets available - gold ol' "cup-'n-core" ("Hot-Core" or not) in a weight which actually indicates a REAL sectional density worth taking note of. And,... not a bad price per today's craziness.

"Overruns" - I guess that's what we're going to get these days - "leftovers," "scraps."

Seems the component-makers forget how much we contributed to their bottom lines for so many years - suddenly. Before you argue "capitalism." remember that they went to GREAT lengths to come up with reloading manuals for us. THAT was not a benevolent gesture - it contributed to their bottom line. Because we bought their components to do what we do, they could get us to buy MORE of what they sold by going to that trouble. Now, if ANY of them could actually be honest about it and say "sorry guys, there's just too much money to pass up feeding the fickle market," I could respect them. Now, it's full-on capitalism and they need to think about what happens when this current fad fizzles. Yes IF it fizzles.

Not to be a "troll," or rablle-rouser, but I'm personally a bit tired of the rationalization that we're a "small part of the market." So what? We weren't for many years and now we're chopped liver. Honestly, even if a RUSSIAN company offered a decent round-nosed 6.5mm cup-'n-core bullet, I'd think about shooting something jacketed again. I stopped buying Nosler when they got a big head in the late eighties, doubling the price of a box (100) of bullets and cutting the count in half (50). I won't think twice about dumping any of the current manufacturers who have "dumped on" handloaders in the last ten years.

Get these while you can. I don't think the "new normal" crowd likes stuff like this, but it's a GOOD BULLET at a "GOOD" PRICE.

If I've offended anyone with this,... I'm not sorry. We need to stop making excuses for component manufacturers, who've abandoned us. Maybe they did it for "good reason," but all the same, we need to support our interests and not continue to subsidize the extra money in their pockets at the expense of our own pockets. "Product loyalty" be damned.

I don't shoot ANYTHING jacketed anymore, because I find cast better for most applications I personally have, but I've sold off guns that thrive on jacketed because I'm not paying the ransom.
 
RicinYakima

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Jeff, a 100 will last me my life time at this point. I have 50 Nosler 250's if I ever load to really shoot something. Most of it is just fantasies at this point in my life. :rolleyes:
 
todd

todd

Well-Known Member
Jeff H said:
Good to see some SENSIBLE and USEFUL bullets available - gold ol' "cup-'n-core" ("Hot-Core" or not) in a weight which actually indicates a REAL sectional density worth taking note of. And,... not a bad price per today's craziness.

"Overruns" - I guess that's what we're going to get these days - "leftovers," "scraps."

Seems the component-makers forget how much we contributed to their bottom lines for so many years - suddenly. Before you argue "capitalism." remember that they went to GREAT lengths to come up with reloading manuals for us. THAT was not a benevolent gesture - it contributed to their bottom line. Because we bought their components to do what we do, they could get us to buy MORE of what they sold by going to that trouble. Now, if ANY of them could actually be honest about it and say "sorry guys, there's just too much money to pass up feeding the fickle market," I could respect them. Now, it's full-on capitalism and they need to think about what happens when this current fad fizzles. Yes IF it fizzles.

Not to be a "troll," or rablle-rouser, but I'm personally a bit tired of the rationalization that we're a "small part of the market." So what? We weren't for many years and now we're chopped liver. Honestly, even if a RUSSIAN company offered a decent round-nosed 6.5mm cup-'n-core bullet, I'd think about shooting something jacketed again. I stopped buying Nosler when they got a big head in the late eighties, doubling the price of a box (100) of bullets and cutting the count in half (50). I won't think twice about dumping any of the current manufacturers who have "dumped on" handloaders in the last ten years.

Get these while you can. I don't think the "new normal" crowd likes stuff like this, but it's a GOOD BULLET at a "GOOD" PRICE.

If I've offended anyone with this,... I'm not sorry. We need to stop making excuses for component manufacturers, who've abandoned us. Maybe they did it for "good reason," but all the same, we need to support our interests and not continue to subsidize the extra money in their pockets at the expense of our own pockets. "Product loyalty" be damned.

I don't shoot ANYTHING jacketed anymore, because I find cast better for most applications I personally have, but I've sold off guns that thrive on jacketed because I'm not paying the ransom.
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i guess it has been 15 - 20 years ago that the manufacturers didn't care about us handloaders and their cup-n-core. i was and am PO'ed of them discontinuing 7mm 139gr Hornady FN bullets. me and my dad (RIP) have killed unknown number of deer with the 139gr FN (7x57, 7-08 and 7x30 Waters).

it has been about 9 - 10 years since i went to cast boolits. just recently, i got into "cup-n-core" bullets again. for my 22 Hornet it is 35 - 40gr Hornady V Max and for my 30 Herrett is 130gr Speer HP. the V Maxes i got cheap and i think 130gr HP were around $20/100 pcs (i think). i've got 150gr Speer RN for my 30 Remington. oh, i have got 2000+ 34gr Midway/Midsouth HP for my 20 Vartarg that i bought years ago.

other than that, i use cast.
 
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Mainiac

Well-Known Member
I feel thesame way.
I shoot cast exclusively,,cant stand the thought of copper jacket fouling,in my bores!
Needless to say,,the high stepping 22 and 24,s
Dont get shot no more.22hornet and 222,,will shoot wonderful,up to 2500fps,,,thats all the 22 shooting i do,anymore.
 
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Jeff H

NW Ohio
I have to take back the part about not shooting ANY jacketed.

I still have a 223 and a couple hundred jacketed HPs for that, which probably cost me something like $6/c when I bough them. Since I shoot that rifle ONCE every few years, for yonder 'yote or an especially wary woodchuck, those will last me with a bunch left over when someone inherits that 223. Otherwise, if it's more than a hundred yards away, it's posing no immediate threat (except the coyotes), so I use cast even for varmint/vermin control.

A jacketed HP at high velocity will open a woodchuck up, even cut them nearly in half, but a slow, flat-nosed, lead bullet will dispatch them just as quickly with little drama and less mess to tend to. All the BS people tried to feed me in my younger years about lead bullets "pencilling through" was just that - BS. I personally see little legitimate use for most of the expensive "boutique" bullets so popular today, so no skin off my nose, but it irritates me that so many really good bullets, which didn't cost an arm and a leg have been displaced by today's over-achievers.

EDIT: I can't believe those bullets are still available! Those are good bullets, but heavy for most applications. If I had a Whelen, I'd have ordered ten boxes of those and thanked @waco fo the tip!
 
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CWLONGSHOT

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
I love my cast and use them nearly exclusively. But still feel the jacketed is a better product for use on Game @ longer ranges. I have a very good supply acquired over the last forty years. So I dont buy allot any more. I have a few calibers that never see lead and others that have never seen jacketed.

CW
 
todd

todd

Well-Known Member
one of the only jacketed bullets i'd buy, is another discontinued round, the .429" 265gr Hornady FN. i have around 300-400 left, but this was like $20 -25 per 100 pcs. i shot them in my 44 mag and 444 Marlin. deer hated them, but i don't care.
 
Bret4207

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Well, I can't say I hate jacketed, but I do hate the cost and I get really peeved when good, simple jacketed bullets get discontinued in favor of the hi-tech boutique bullets. Noslers old "Solid Base" 55 gr 224 was a perfected bullet for my 22-250 and accurate as all get out. The Hornady 6.5 x 160 in .264 shot great in everything I've tried it in and while I have never personally shot big game with it, I know/knew many people who used the bullet exclusively in their 6.5's with complete satisfaction for decades of big game hunting. I did luck onto a box of them that were "new production", but they aren't produced regularly. Too many simple yet effective bullets seem to have been tossed aside lately. Anything in the 25 caliber line is hard to find these days, and if you want a 117gr RN, well, tough luck Charley! Same thing with brass. Try finding 250 Savage or 30-40 Krag brass.

Times change, but there's no rule saying I have to like it! ;)
 
Rick H

Rick H

Well-Known Member
Bret4207 said:
Noslers old "Solid Base" 55 gr 224 was a perfected bullet for my 22-250 and accurate as all get out.
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Same bullet except 95 gr. 243 was my go to bullet in my 6mm Remington. Excellent accuracy and performance on deer and pronghorn antelope. The newer plastic tipped monstrosities are just a bit too explosive on game. Shame on me for not buying a lifetime supply before they were discontinued.
 
todd

todd

Well-Known Member
my dad (RIP) had a Remington m760 in 30-06 that just luved 180gr Remington RN factory ammo. i think it was in the early 90s, when he was going to buy a box (20 cartridges) right before buck season (about a month before). well, all of a sudden, no matter what store, they were out. he had only 7 cartridges, 2 of which he shot the target and 3 deer fell. he had 2 cartridges left. sometime early next year, he bought a carton of '06 180gr Remington RN's (i think it was 500 cartridges). he said "that was the LAST time the pump would run out." i have 380+ '06 cartrigdes left, not to mention the hundreds of '06 cases. (i use them for my 7,8,9.3x57, 7.65x53, 6.5x55 and others.)

my brother has a Mossberg Patriot in 270 Win and it likes 150gr Remington RN, but 7-10 or so years ago, Remington changed their RN ammo . i think that they changed their jacket construction to heavy game, instead of light game (like deer). i wasn't there, but the Remington RN bullets were (and now?) "penciling" their way deer (under 100 yards, or so i'm told by many people). i shot a doe that "penciled" in (243 Win, 85gr Barnes X-bullet) and she ran thru 300 yards+ of thick cover. i feel bad about them guys and their tracking. Premium bullets were damned by me back in the Early - Mid '90s.

but anyways, i don't know about the Remington RN's are like anymore. i shot a bunch of deer with my '06 in 180gr Remington RN factory loads, but i soon switched to 150gr Hornady RN and 170gr Hornady FN. i haven't shot a 243 in about 25 years+/- , but i can remember a 100gr Hornady RN would do the job. does Remington still make their 257 Roberts with a 117gr RN?
 
CWLONGSHOT

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
I still have two boxes of the Hornady 100g RN They have worked fine for me.
I agree on those Corlokt 30/180's. I have a box of those too!! :)
I never did try the Cor-Lokt 117rn. But Hornady's version have been fine.

CW
 
todd

todd

Well-Known Member
back in 1984-85ish, when i was young, i used a 30-30 and PMC ammo. my friend used a 243 Win with PMC too. it was like a buck or two cheaper, so we bought it. i think we also got some PMC 22 LR. it was a cup-n-core and it did quite well on deer. i believe it was South Korean, but i don't know for sure. we used it for a couple or three years and then K Mart and others didn't sell it. 1991-92ish came around and i was into handloading and factory ammo was shunned by me. :p i think that my friend got ahold of some Norma ammo (243) back then. the box stores was plain old Remington, Winchester and Federal ammo. the premium ammo came about in the mid '90s. Trophy Bonded and Black Talons were the first, i think.
 
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