311284......lets talk about this mold

[waco]

What are your thoughts on this mold in the '06, .308, and 30-30 (bolt gun)
Informal plinking and the like. This particular mold I'm looking at is a PB mold as well ( I know this will get Ben's attention! ) Anyone have any firsthand experience with this bullet in these calibers?
Thanks.
Walter

 

[Rick]

I have the NOE mold but can't really offer much info, I just haven't yet done much with this bullet. But if anyone isn't familiar with it, this is what it looks like.

 

[fiver]

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?168496-Chamber-and-throat-relationship
here is a good picture thingy to help you look at the relationship. [yeah I know it's the 291 but they are quite similar]
see those air gaps along the edges of the boolit?
that's where it don't 'fit' quite right.
it will shoot pretty well at the normal velocity's though since it does mostly fill the gaps in that 0-6 barrel.
the 08 is kinda similar but the angles differ a bit.
the 30-30 is a little bit different and longer they do well with a loverign design.

http://www.saami.org/pubresources/cc_drawings/Rifle/30-30 Winchester.pdf
this should help you see the different lengths and angles a little better.

 

[Ben]

NOE 311284's , a fine bullet and as you can see , a real SHOOTER !

I have several different HP pins for my mould :

I've settled on this particular HP pin shape and depth, as I believe it will offer the best
expansion / penetration ratio for my needs. My NOE mould has 1 cavity HP'd by Erik and the other cavity has been plain based.

The 311284 is one of my favorites !

Lee Nose 1st sizer, sized to .310 " with Ameri-max .014 thickness g/c :

I've killed quite a few deer with the 311284 HP. At reasonable ranges with good bullet placement, it will bring the meat home.

 

[RicinYakima]

I have shot it for many years and own 4 moulds for it, from early integral handles to about 1995 production. I won the CBA's Military Issue Rifle championship with it in SD last year. It will shoot fine in a 1/12 twist barrel above 1250 f/s. Nose is too long for magazine feed on most 30/30's unless single loaded. Lyman makes the nose too small, in my opinion, at about 0.298" but not everyone want to deal with a nose 0.301". Size the bullets the same size as the inside of a fired case from that chamber, seated just enough to require the bolt handle to push the front band into the leade. The biggest advantage is lack of wind drift at longer ranges, less than anything but the Lyman 311299.

 

[Ben]

Rick,

I see you're not a " 1st Timer " with the 284". You clearly know exactly what you're talking about.

Ben

 

[Brad]

When I learned to cast there were 2 bullets hammered into my memory by Khornet. The 357 Keith bullet and the 311284. I haven't shot a 284 in well over a decade but I can't disagree with Ben's choice of an HP version for deer.

 

[Ian]

Waco, it's fine except for HV.

 

[Rick]

Rick, I see you're not a " 1st Timer " with the 284". You clearly know exactly what you're talking about. Ben

Well, like I said I haven't done much with this bullet yet. I bought it for my 26 inch octagon barrel Winchester 30-30. It has a great bore except for that pesky .310" groove diameter. This NOE 311284 casts large enough to make both the rifle and me happy. I need to get back to this project and get some loads worked up.

 

[Ben]

Well, like I said I haven't done much with this bullet yet. I bought it for my 26 inch octagon barrel Winchester 30-30. It has a great bore except for that pesky .310" groove diameter. This NOE 311284 casts large enough to make both the rifle and me happy. I need to get back to this project and get some loads worked up.

and share the results with all of us , Please !

 

[Ben]

What are your thoughts on this mold in the '06, .308, and 30-30 (bolt gun)
Informal plinking and the like. This particular mold I'm looking at is a PB mold as well ( I know this will get Ben's attention! ) Anyone have any firsthand experience with this bullet in these calibers?
Thanks.
Walter

Walter,

Are you considering purchasing a 311284 ?

 

[9.3X62AL]

A little bit of experience with #311284, in my newest-to-me 30-06 (FN Mauser 98 commercial/c. 1955). It has the BEST dimensional integrity of any 30-06 I've ever owned, and the small amount of shooting I've done with it to date has been SUPERBLY accurate--both using redcoats and the more interesting poured projectiles. Throat is .3085", 4 grooves are all .308" on the dot, and lands will grudgingly pass a .300" pin gauge, but .301" is a no-go. It has done some things with Sierra 168 MKs that I don't quite believe for a sporter barrel, and seems to get along with #311284 pretty well sized at .309". I got several sub-1" 5-shotters at 50 yards using 18.0 grains of 2400. At 100 things opened to about 1-1/8" to 1-1/4", but that shows promise for future work. Eyeballed bullets, lubed with Carnauba Red.

I had use of a friend's Lyman mould of this design a few years ago, and cast up two 1# coffee cans full of the slugs in 92/6/2. My idea was to test-drive these--the Lee 309-200--and maybe Lyan #311299 to see which one would make the best groups. That and most other shooting projects went on hiatus for the past couple years, and I'm almost back to the point I can do some loading and shooting again. Wife career issues and my health challenges have combined to make the last couple years not a whole lot of fun. I'm about 4 hours of construction shy of having my shop SQUARED AWAY. Pretty jazzed, I must say.

 

[RicinYakima]

The '284's design advantage is balance of band placement and width. They shoot well in most styles of rifling. Attached is a target from 100 yards with ten shots from a Newton with his "segmented" style of rifling.

 

[KHornet]

The 311284 was my first mold, still have it, single cav, and Buckshot HP'd it for me a number of years ago. Haven't shot it much in the past few years, but it is a real winner in my opinion.

 

[waco]

Waco, it's fine except for HV.

Just looking at it as a plinker.

Are you considering purchasing a 311284 ?

Yeah. found a used five cavity for a decent price. All plain base. I thought if it worked well in a few different rifles having five cavities would be nice for volume casting.

 

[fiver]

Ric I looked at that A2400 at the bottom there and thought 'man, I don't recognize that accurate number'.
then DUH, alliant 2400.
with as much of it as I shoot you'd think I'd only think of it.

 

[Ben]

Just looking at it as a plinker.

Yeah. found a used five cavity for a decent price. All plain base. I thought if it worked well in a few different rifles having five cavities would be nice for volume casting.

Go for it !
A great mould.
As you know, I love plain base .30 cal. cast bullets !

Ben

 

[fiver]

I'd snag it to Waco.
the 291 and 284 are both good molds to have around.

I wish you guy's would quit talking about all this plain base boolit stuff you got me to thinking about doing it in a few rifles and the last thing I need is another set of molds to be messing with [never mind storing them]

 

[waco]

last thing I need is another set of molds to be messing with [never mind storing them]

First world struggles....

 

[RicinYakima]

Fiver, the top group on the target on the previous post, is 10 shot with the Lyman 311440 just loaded without a gas check and 6 grains of WW231. Groups are less than 1/2 that at 50 yards. I shot lots of bullets meant for gas checks without using them. They work just fine with loads good for others without gas checks. Ric