357446 HP

[CZ93X62]

Probably because it wasn't a design by someone named Elmer?
I care far less about what people think of a mould than I do what my guns think of a mould.

I see that my heresies are communicable. Don't get me wrong, I love Keith SWC designs, but Ray Thompson made some good designs as well--not to mention other SWC designers.

I have limited experience with the #357446, only about 200 samples by a forgotten benefactor at least 10 years ago. The bullet worked fine in both 38 Special and 357 Magnum roles, which was surprising given the bad press the bullet design was given in gunrags and bulletin boards. The design looks to me like a Thompson #358156 that a home machinist reamed the gas check shank out of. Just sayin'.

 

[Ben]

Isn't it interesting if you read about it in a gun rag, it becomes the TRUTH.

Ben

 

[Rick]

Isn't it interesting if you read about it in a gun rag, it becomes the TRUTH.

Ben

Oh? Maybe not so much but then maybe that's why I quit reading them years ago.

 

[Ian]

Found this in a box of odds and ends on a gun show table a few weeks back. I'm hoping the Model 10 will like them. Cast of straight wheelweight metal they run a few tenths over .360".

 

[BigBearJoe]

I'm using an alloy that's a mix of 3 parts recovered range scrap (BHN about 8) and 1 part linotype. Final mix is about BHN of 13-14. Shoots very nicely in the .405 #1 at 2200 fps with a GC. For a PB, I would probably aim for a somewhat lower velocity. I use the same alloy for my Marlin Model 36 .30-30s with the 311041, using Jim Taylor's load of 26.0 grains of H335 for about 1900 fps, and it shoots superbly.

thank you

 

[Missionary]

Generally bad press is good for us as the demand stays low and the price also.

 

[358156 hp]

I think the bad press may have come from some people not really trying to develop a load this combination "likes". I can't count the number of times I've heard somebody say "if it won't shoot with my pet load, it's no good, everything else shoots well with my pet load". My experience has been that 357446 doesn't like powder puff loads very well. I've had the same issue with Keith designs. They're working bullets, and work best for me at "working load" velocities.

 

[358156 hp]

I'm using an alloy that's a mix of 3 parts recovered range scrap (BHN about 8) and 1 part linotype. Final mix is about BHN of 13-14. Shoots very nicely in the .405 #1 at 2200 fps with a GC. For a PB, I would probably aim for a somewhat lower velocity. I use the same alloy for my Marlin Model 36 .30-30s with the 311041, using Jim Taylor's load of 26.0 grains of H335 for about 1900 fps, and it shoots superbly.

Jim Taylor. Now there's a name I haven't heard in ages. I miss the old guys.

 

[fiver]

even Elmer recognized that his bullet designs didn't work at all velocity and pressure windows.
he had some very strong recommendations where his alloy and loads were not run at full volume.

i never knew nor read much of what he wrote, but a lot of what i do parallels a lot of his findings.

 

[bruce381]

Found this in a box of odds and ends on a gun show table a few weeks back. I'm hoping the Model 10 will like them. Cast of straight wheelweight metal they run a few tenths over .360".

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HI Ian I have used this and could never get it to group was pie plate at 25 yards but then again I cannot see like I used to.

 

[Ian]

Pie plate at 25 yards with a revolver is good enough for me!

 

[CZ93X62]

Center that pie plate over the X-ring of a B-27 target. Enough said.

 

[358156 hp]

even Elmer recognized that his bullet designs didn't work at all velocity and pressure windows.
he had some very strong recommendations where his alloy and loads were not run at full volume.

i never knew nor read much of what he wrote, but a lot of what i do parallels a lot of his findings.

Some of the old timers I used to hang around with talked a lot about Elmer. The general consensus was that even if they didn't always get exactly the same results with some things as Elmer did, they could at least see his point.

That's pretty damn good.