Accurate " Production Revolver ", 38/357 cal.
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RBHarter
West Central AR
Load one , skip one , load 4 more , close the gate , and roll to lock .
The hammer is over an empty hole and when cocked comes directly up on a loaded chamber .
Proper practice on every revolver with a hammer mounted firing pin .
Ruger made the changes to make the transfer bar work with no mods to the original frame or action other than adding the correct parts .
Not many years ago there was a murder/self defense/accidental shooting in Silver Springs Nevada . I don't think there was a published outcome after the gun was cleared of any deliberate wrong doing . The initial reporting started out with an AD from a 357 BH 3 screw unmodified gun having been dropped or fallen from it's keep in/under/holstered to the mattress . The gun had discharged via the well known manufacturing design error where a blow to the hammer would fire it . Then there was a struggle and she shot him , then he was threatening to shoot her and dropped it in the struggle ........ Then it went dark .
At the end I think the gun was acquitted and a plea of involuntary manslaughter was entered and accepted by the state .
Mom has an OM 3 screw unmodified , the NM 76' gets carried with 5 mostly because of A traditional habit and B that hole throws out anyway on the Colts chamber and ruins a 3" 50 yd group making it just shy of 5" .......
I carry the Smiths with 5 at least for the field and it seems like a good habit to keep as both the 1918 N frame and the 1947 M10 have hammer pins . The 1858 , 1860 and 2nd Mod Dragoon have notches between chambers to make a hammer bump unlikely .
The hammer is over an empty hole and when cocked comes directly up on a loaded chamber .
Proper practice on every revolver with a hammer mounted firing pin .
Ruger made the changes to make the transfer bar work with no mods to the original frame or action other than adding the correct parts .
Not many years ago there was a murder/self defense/accidental shooting in Silver Springs Nevada . I don't think there was a published outcome after the gun was cleared of any deliberate wrong doing . The initial reporting started out with an AD from a 357 BH 3 screw unmodified gun having been dropped or fallen from it's keep in/under/holstered to the mattress . The gun had discharged via the well known manufacturing design error where a blow to the hammer would fire it . Then there was a struggle and she shot him , then he was threatening to shoot her and dropped it in the struggle ........ Then it went dark .
At the end I think the gun was acquitted and a plea of involuntary manslaughter was entered and accepted by the state .
Mom has an OM 3 screw unmodified , the NM 76' gets carried with 5 mostly because of A traditional habit and B that hole throws out anyway on the Colts chamber and ruins a 3" 50 yd group making it just shy of 5" .......
I carry the Smiths with 5 at least for the field and it seems like a good habit to keep as both the 1918 N frame and the 1947 M10 have hammer pins . The 1858 , 1860 and 2nd Mod Dragoon have notches between chambers to make a hammer bump unlikely .
Ruger use to be self-insured, I don't know if this is still the case or not. They actually fought lawsuits instead of just settling. The transfer bar came about after a fellow in Alaska with a three-screw single action ended up shooting himself. If I remember correctly, he was getting out of a pickup truck bed when the revolver fell. All chambers loaded. He or his estate (after 45+ years can't remember the whole story anymore) sued and won. This was the beginning of the New Model, transfer bar era.
Petrol & Powder
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On appeal Ruger won a partial victory in that Alaska case. The punitive damages were capped, and the case was remanded for a re-trial. The problem was the Alaska case generated so much publicity that it opened the flood gates and Ruger found themselves as the defendant in multiple civil suits after that.
The case was Ruger V. Michael James Day (1979 Alaska)
Without getting too far into the weeds, I will say that there was a general nationwide attitude shift to the left starting in the 1960's and peaking in the 1970's. (when that Alaska case was originally heard and later appealed). There was a correction to that movement in the 1980's but these general attitude shifts are SLOW, and therefore the resulting cycles are LONG. Those societal shifts in norms don't happen overnight.
Ruger did fight the subsequent lawsuits and they were rather successful, however, even fighting is expensive.
I always found it extremely distasteful that Ruger improved the safety of their design, and the improvement was used against them. Sort of like a manufacturer putting better brakes on a new model car and then someone saying the improvement shows they knew the old model brakes were bad. ??? Don't we want improvements?
The case was Ruger V. Michael James Day (1979 Alaska)
Without getting too far into the weeds, I will say that there was a general nationwide attitude shift to the left starting in the 1960's and peaking in the 1970's. (when that Alaska case was originally heard and later appealed). There was a correction to that movement in the 1980's but these general attitude shifts are SLOW, and therefore the resulting cycles are LONG. Those societal shifts in norms don't happen overnight.
Ruger did fight the subsequent lawsuits and they were rather successful, however, even fighting is expensive.
I always found it extremely distasteful that Ruger improved the safety of their design, and the improvement was used against them. Sort of like a manufacturer putting better brakes on a new model car and then someone saying the improvement shows they knew the old model brakes were bad. ??? Don't we want improvements?
Petrol & Powder
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I couldn't agree more.
When you idiot-proof something you will just create a more motivated idiot.
A few years ago I was showing a engine to a friend. It was an old car and the engine was running when I opened the hood. He started to reach in and I snatched his hand back before he stuck it into the rotating fan. He was very close to losing some fingers. I explained why it was a bad idea to put his hand in there.. He said, "why don't they put a guard around that"? I said, "because most people aren't dumb enough to stick their fingers into a big rotating metal fan".
He is a good guy and well educated but lacks a little commonsense.
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Petrol & Powder
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Never interfere with Darwin.
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RBHarter
West Central AR
My son's wouldn't be here today most likely if natural selection had run its course . The younger boy had a 50/50 with an unknown infection and a fever of 104 for a week . Then came the nose bleed they fought for an hour in the hospital .
The oldest boy was a footling breech 6 weeks early that sucked up a load of delivery water and collapsed a lung .
I've seen a lot of people do a lot of just really dumb things and I've participated in some pretty dumb stuff myself . Not coil heater /blow dryer in the shower/bath tube dumb but pretty dumb none the less .
No matter how stupid the warning is it's there because someone , somewhere , has done it . Curling irons are labeled "do not insert into any body opening" , one assumes that was because of an injury of serious burns or electrocution .
Slippery when icy . Here's one that I can't say needs to be said ,but there's 1000s of signs out there . It's probably a good reminder .
Bridge ices before road . Not part of Joe Averages thought process and not really a thing that is mentioned a lot in snow country but a very real thing in the wet country when the wind blows just so around 40° it'll ice a bridge quick , fast , and in a hurry .
Leaded Chrystal in California is known to cause cancer .......
Do not drink battery fluid ........
Use of this product may impair your ability to .......... It's a pain killer , sleep aid , or booze isn't that kind of the point ?
These labels you may remove with upmost haste .
The oldest boy was a footling breech 6 weeks early that sucked up a load of delivery water and collapsed a lung .
I've seen a lot of people do a lot of just really dumb things and I've participated in some pretty dumb stuff myself . Not coil heater /blow dryer in the shower/bath tube dumb but pretty dumb none the less .
No matter how stupid the warning is it's there because someone , somewhere , has done it . Curling irons are labeled "do not insert into any body opening" , one assumes that was because of an injury of serious burns or electrocution .
Slippery when icy . Here's one that I can't say needs to be said ,but there's 1000s of signs out there . It's probably a good reminder .
Bridge ices before road . Not part of Joe Averages thought process and not really a thing that is mentioned a lot in snow country but a very real thing in the wet country when the wind blows just so around 40° it'll ice a bridge quick , fast , and in a hurry .
Leaded Chrystal in California is known to cause cancer .......
Do not drink battery fluid ........
Use of this product may impair your ability to .......... It's a pain killer , sleep aid , or booze isn't that kind of the point ?
These labels you may remove with upmost haste .
Petrol & Powder
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There's a big difference between medical & physical issues as an infant (that the infant is not responsible for)...... verses a person that has reached adulthood and still doesn't know that you shouldn't take a bath with a toaster.
The first is potential natural selection that the individual infant has no control over.
The second is an example of Darwin taking out a mentally weak adult that had ALL the opportunity in the world to avoid that early death but even after 18-25 years of instruction, still can't pull it off.