An old case

[Ben]

I was going through my 7X57mm empty cases.
I found this one.
I wonder how old it is ?

 

[shuz]

I'd guess it came out of a red and green box from the 60's or 70's the latest. A cartridge collector should know!

 

[Ben]

I was guessing 1960's, but I may be way off ?

Ben

 

[todd]

maybe the '60s?

i got a few 30-40 Krag's that was stamped 30 Army and Super Speed (i think it was Winchester).

 

[RicinYakima]

The Union Metallic Cartridge Company (UMC) was an early manufacturer of cartridge ammunition for small arms. The company was founded in 1867 during the most rapid evolution of cartridge design to date.[1] Following merger with Remington Arms in 1912, the company manufacturing complex in Bridgeport, Connecticut became a major arms supplier during World War I. The factory was Remington headquarters until 1984 and the source of sporting and police ammunition headstamped REM-UMC until 1970.

 

[Ben]

UUUmmmm , maybe the case isn't as old as I 1st thought it was.

Thanks,
Ben

 

[RicinYakima]

The Western Cartridge Company is an American manufacturer of small arms and ammunition that is based in East Alton, Illinois. Founded in 1898, it was the forerunner of the Olin Corporation, formed in 1944, of which Western is still a subsidiary.[1] Western acquired the Winchester Repeating Arms Company after Winchester went into receivership in 1931.[2]

Beginning in 1935, cartridge cases had "Super Speed" imprinted as part of the headstamp and all Winchester cartridges / bullet weights were offered. That continued up until the early 1970's when the Super Speed name was dropped and the headstamp was changed to W-W.

 

[RicinYakima]

UUUmmmm , maybe the case isn't as old as I 1st thought it was.

Thanks,
Ben

Fifty years old isn't exactly a young chicken anymore!

 

[L Ross]

Fifty years old isn't exactly a young chicken anymore!

I'll bet both you and I would love to have the attributes we had at 50!

 

[todd]

The Western Cartridge Company is an American manufacturer of small arms and ammunition that is based in East Alton, Illinois. Founded in 1898, it was the forerunner of the Olin Corporation, formed in 1944, of which Western is still a subsidiary.[1] Western acquired the Winchester Repeating Arms Company after Winchester went into receivership in 1931.[2]

Beginning in 1935, cartridge cases had "Super Speed" imprinted as part of the headstamp and all Winchester cartridges / bullet weights were offered. That continued up until the early 1970's when the Super Speed name was dropped and the headstamp was changed to W-W.

the Super Speed was probably bought from my dad in the early to mid '60s. my uncle used my Krag in the early '80s and it probably was Reminton factory loads. the 30 Army is most likely either my grandfather or great grandfather.

 

[RBHarter]

I had a few at one time that were 1939 DWM might still have them knocking around.

 

[Bret4207]

A lot of Rem 22 ammo still bore the "U" headstamp into the 80's or later. Old cartridge collecting and headstamp display is a hobby unto itself!

 

[todd]

i only know (well, known) one guy, my late gunsmith, that collected old cartridges. he had a bunch of them on his shelves.

 

[L Ross]

My Dad had 1,800 lbs. of collectible loaded ammo in our old farm house. The stuff he found in Western South Dakota was outstanding. As a kid I played with .44 Henry flats that he had an egg crate full of. He'd line up cartridges on the linoleum of the old dining room, from smallest to biggest and have me identify them. My favorites were the old paper patched rounds and the "dash" cartridges.

 

[Walks]

It would be before 1963, that was the year Remington brought out the 7mmRemMag. Any American made cartridge marked 7MM before then would be 7X57 Mauser.

Wonder how old the Western .45 Auto Rim cases that I've been loading for 40yrs really are ?

 

[fiver]

yep i have some simply marked 7mm.
i had to splain to the kids that the 7 mauser was the ONLY 7mm round available from the factory for like 70 years.

 

[Bret4207]

i only know (well, known) one guy, my late gunsmith, that collected old cartridges. he had a bunch of them on his shelves.

There are whole websites devoted to it and an association or 2 that I think are world wide.

 

[Bret4207]

In my collection of odd stuff I have a couple boxes of Peters. Not sure when they faded out but I'd guess mid-60's. The stuff still goes BANG! reliably.

 

[L Ross]

I bought a 3lb. coffee can full of .25-20 brass a few years ago. The lid had a Sharpie note saying there were 1,164 in the can. I gave not quite half to a very good friend. They were all OLD! Head stamped WRA, REM-UMC, and Peters. Old and brittle, so I annealed them all and now they work just fine.

 

[Missionary]

Annealing is the first step for old cases. Then a few will body split. 33 Winchester were our last that failed.