An old case

[RicinYakima]

In my collection of odd stuff I have a couple boxes of Peters. Not sure when they faded out but I'd guess mid-60's. The stuff still goes BANG! reliably.

Remington Arms purchased the Peters Cartridge Company in 1934.[5] Facilities were expanded during World War II to include the federally owned Kings Mills Ordnance Plant manufacturing military ammunition on an adjacent hill south of the Peters factory complex. Production of military ammunition ended in March 1944, and Remington sold the Kings Mills factory to Columbia Records.

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In front of the old Peters Cartridge Plant.

 

[todd]

Annealing is the first step for old cases. Then a few will body split. 33 Winchester were our last that failed.

i REALLY gotta anneal my 30-40 Krag cases.

 

[Bret4207]

i REALLY gotta anneal my 30-40 Krag cases.

Look on the bright side (said the pessimist!), annealing doesn't take long or much scientific effort, and you HAVE 30/40 Krag brass to anneal! Wish I was in your boat!

 

[L Ross]

i REALLY gotta anneal my 30-40 Krag cases.

Yes you do. For some reason they are the worst. I have had new old stock Krags split on the first firing. Bad Juju to anneal loaded ammo.

 

[todd]

Look on the bright side (said the pessimist!), annealing doesn't take long or much scientific effort, and you HAVE 30/40 Krag brass to anneal! Wish I was in your boat!

Yes you do. For some reason they are the worst. I have had new old stock Krags split on the first firing. Bad Juju to anneal loaded ammo.

alot of my krag brass is old, like 40 - 60 years old. i bought some Grafs' brass a couple of years ago that are still in the new plastic bag. i don't use jacketed bullets or max loads. just a 165gr Ranch Dog and H4198 for 1930fps. i think i'm on 7 or 8 firings with no annealing.

BTW, i also have some Remington-UMC 30 USA brass too.

 

[quicksylver]

got a box of.Sharps .56rim fire, at least I THINK that's what it is

 

[L Ross]

got a box of.Sharps .56rim fire, at least I THINK that's what it is

Perhaps Spencer? I think there was a 56-46, 56-56, 56-52 something like that.

 

[RicinYakima]

Perhaps Spencer? I think there was a 56-46, 56-56, 56-52 something like that.

Spencer was the only cartridge that used grains of powder as the first part of the name, and barrel diameter as the second part. To the best of my knowledge, they were only made a RFs, as Winchester bought the company and stopped making them when the military contracts ran out. Couldn't stand the competition I guess. It was 1876 before Winchester made a repeater that powerful.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

I bought a 3lb. coffee can full of .25-20 brass a few years ago. The lid had a Sharpie note saying there were 1,164 in the can. I gave not quite half to a very good friend. They were all OLD! Head stamped WRA, REM-UMC, and Peters. Old and brittle, so I annealed them all and now they work just fine.

I have same can.. or used to

 

[richhodg66]

I have .30-40 Krag brass labeled .30 U.S., I think it's REM UMC?

 

[RicinYakima]

I have .30-40 Krag brass labeled .30 U.S., I think it's REM UMC?

I think it should be "30 USA" (United States Army) as "30 US" was .30 caliber model 1906.

 

[glassparman]

I reload original 8mm Kropatschek. Most of the cases are from around 1902 into the 20s. I even have some from 1898.

I happened upon a huge bag some years ago then I found the correct .254 diameter Berdan primers.

I disassemble, de-prime, anneal, wet tumble, prime and load with BP.

I'm sure most if not all the cases would split without annealing. I have reloaded some of them several times now.

Here are my before and after shots.

For those who don't know, I'm an avid cartridge collector and love going to SLICS (St. Louis International Cartridge Show) every spring.

 

[L Ross]

I reload original 8mm Kropatschek. Most of the cases are from around 1902 into the 20s. I even have some from 1898.

I happened upon a huge bag some years ago then I found the correct .254 diameter Berdan primers.

I disassemble, de-prime, anneal, wet tumble, prime and load with BP.

I'm sure most if not all the cases would split without annealing. I have reloaded some of them several times now.

Here are my before and after shots.

For those who don't know, I'm an avid cartridge collector and love going to SLICS (St. Louis International Cartridge Show) every spring.

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Resurrections.

 

[Bret4207]

I think it should be "30 USA" (United States Army) as "30 US" was .30 caliber model 1906.

I've seen the Krag referred to as the 30 Army and 30 Service. The 30-'03 had a nickname too...might have been 30 Springfield?, but the '06 I've always seen as the 30 Gov't or 30-'06.

 

[Bret4207]

I reload original 8mm Kropatschek. Most of the cases are from around 1902 into the 20s. I even have some from 1898.

I happened upon a huge bag some years ago then I found the correct .254 diameter Berdan primers.

I disassemble, de-prime, anneal, wet tumble, prime and load with BP.

I'm sure most if not all the cases would split without annealing. I have reloaded some of them several times now.

Here are my before and after shots.

For those who don't know, I'm an avid cartridge collector and love going to SLICS (St. Louis International Cartridge Show) every spring.

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Do you deprime hydraulically or with the claw type extractor?

 

[glassparman]

Depends on the case. These de-prime with water easily because the primer is not staked in any way.

I don't like the RCBS claw thing because it is too easy to damage that anvil.

I have my own sloooow process for valuable cases with crimped primers so I can protect the anvil and edge of the primer pocket.

 

[richhodg66]

It was only a few years back it seems that being able to project your PC's screen onto your TV was BIG THING!!! I don't know if anyone still uses that option, probably a few.

I think it should be "30 USA" (United States Army) as "30 US" was .30 caliber model 1906.

Just looked at them this afternoon and you're correct. Maybe I shouldn't be, but I'm still loading and shooting them.

 

[RicinYakima]

No reason not to do that. I am shooting some FA cases made in February, 1902.

Just looked at them this afternoon and you're correct. Maybe I shouldn't be, but I'm still loading and shooting them.

 

[RicinYakima]

I've seen the Krag referred to as the 30 Army and 30 Service. The 30-'03 had a nickname too...might have been 30 Springfield?, but the '06 I've always seen as the 30 Gov't or 30-'06.

The 30-03 (.30 caliber model of 1903) was used by Winchester on early 1895 rifles as .30 Government. When they started with 30/06 it was 30 US, I believe.

 

[glassparman]

I did hear once that some FA .30-06 Match from the 50s we're failing due to the number if draws in the manufacturing. I don't remember the details but I have reloaded many old Milsurp '06 cases for my '03 Springfield.