CDR ??

[Michael]

Stumbled across an article about a CDR.. thought what in the heck is a CDR?
Civilian Defense Rifle.
I like that description, who needs an assault rifle , or a MSR when you can have a CDR instead.

The Civilian Defensive Rifle, Part 1: New Gas Length

Last year I was talking with master barrel maker Paul Craddock of Craddock Precision about Projekt 457. He mentioned a new barrel and gas system he had created specifically for SBR length-suppressed AR-15s. It sounded perfect for the Civilian Defensive Rifle and I was intrigued.

www.gunsamerica.com

 

[Ian]

I was good with just "rifle", no adjectives required. All rifles do the same thing, they shoot bullets and mount to the shoulder. The action type, magazine system, sighting system, accessories, stock material or configuration are all irrelevant besides those with agendas wishing to demonize something.

 

[RicinYakima]

Descriptive words have been useful since we got past the flintlock. Not needed, but makes for a better mental picture if it isn't in front of you.

 

[Ian]

Well sure, but the ambiguous, PC descriptors of rifles that don't look like an innocuous Model 700 "Deer Rifle" or "Cowboy Rifle" drive me nuts.......like "CDR"? Here's another good one: "Assault Weapon". What, exactly, defines one of those other than it's a buzzword used by you know whats? A CDR could be and has been for decades a levergun, any old AR-15 in whatever caliber, an M1 Carbine, an SKS, and so on, but now we find out it really means short barreled, suppressed, accessorized AR-15. I guess specific terms that have a narrow meaning and come into common use have to get their start somehow, and I'm just grumpy. Carry on..

 

[RBHarter]

I hate to be a buzz kill or 12,000 gallons of gasoline........
The definition applied to Armalite Rifles as being weapons of war is kind of stupid really because that would make anything patterned after anything produced by Paul Mauser copied or borrowed from at least 1888 through 1939 . Those were actual combat arms whether they were 91 Carcano or a type 38 or even our own 1903 for which Mauser sued Springfield for patent infringement.......
Then we have "more than one round per continuous single pull of the trigger" .
Yeah lotta scatter guns fit the Amish machine gun .......yes you have to pump the slide which of course made them great trench guns but .........

We're haggling over BS sematics and definitions with that are almost as clear as "I before E except for the exceptions that run 50/50 " so the rule is useless except when it works .

15 yr ago some genius decided to define Racism. I said to myself "Self" and I knew it was me cause' I recognized my voice "Self that sounds like a really familiar definition" . It was it was the definition word for word right out of Webster's for Heretic , which has nothing to do with race outside of possibly Nazi Germany.

 

[fiver]

who also coined the term assault 'rifle',, since machine pistol was already being used.

 

[Michael]

Aside from finding the term CDR entertaining, primarily just to further annoy those who have cockle burrs permanently embedded in places where hemorrhoids are found, I generally label most as gas guns, unless it is a blow back.

 

[Jeff H]

I've been trying to avoid this one, because it's impossible to be "nice" about it, so...

Many a master's thesis and doctorate dissertation has been cinched by some meathead "discovered" something "new," with which to enlighten the rest of us idiots, only to have actually been restating/renaming something people have been doing FOREVER, and which already has a name. Don't bother to do the most minimal of research to avoid reinventing the wheel, just "RE-IMAGINE" the wheel! Morons, I tell ya!

I don't know how many "professional development" seminars I've been drug into where some nitwit, who's birth was the salvation of human kind had named their miracle cure to all the ills of the old, stupid people who lived in darkness before their "coming," something elusive and mysterious, when five minutes into the process of enlightenment, You say to yourself "Self, that sounds familiar" (sound familiar?). It ALWAYS turns out the "enlightenment" is about some or several mundane and obvious thing(s) people ALREADY DO and HAVE BEEN DOING for eons! Never mind the fools who PAY THESE people (there, I didn't say idiot) actual money to come bestow wisdom upon us, because those paying the speaker have NO CLUE of how anything is done anyway.

The Constitution does not stipulate that being armed is for "hunting," "sporting," or even strictly "defensive" reasons, so people need to stop making excuses, rationalizing, pretending, or otherwise deferring to or pandering to the idiotic interpretations used in political rhetoric.

And I'm trying really hard to be polite here.

EDIT: If this is too "rough" or falls into the "political" realm, my feelings won't be hurt if is deleted.

 

[fiver]

well,,, [chuckle] i don't think calling stupid people stupid is political.
unless you use the name Brandon, Uncle, or Aunt sumthin,, or Skeletor's mom.

i remember one time a lady i had to take a 'class' from wandering around the yard with a photographers light meter, and a clip board taking notes, so she could sell the company better lighting.
the plant manager was standing next to me discussing a job we had just finished.

i was like how do you read that thing?
she was like i can see the dial just fine..
sounds to me like we have plenty of light here then.
.... no sale.

 

[Brad]

I tend to use terms like lever action, bolt action, or AR to describe my rifles. I don’t own any cowboy guns, etc.
I prefer to tell someone what make and model it is, not some made up name.

 

[Dusty Bannister]

So here I am about to toss gasoline on the fire. "Civilian Defense Rifle" is only a name for a firearm described earlier which is on the OMG liberal dirty word. It will be very interesting to watch the Libs try to spin the Civilian Defense Rifle as something that has no useful purpose as we see crime running rampet, law enforcement agencies being defunded, and the legal system seriously ineffective.

It is going to really present the true color of the legislator that tells people that they have no right to have these arms although they are well covered by our constitution and clearly described as used for self defense.

 

[462]

I tend to use terms like lever action, bolt action, or AR to describe my rifles. I don’t own any cowboy guns, etc.
I prefer to tell someone what make and model it is, not some made up name.

Yep, make, model, and caliber.

I don't play politically correct word games, i. e. a bum is a bum, an AR-15 is an AR-15, and an AR-15 is not a weapon of war.

By the way, "politically correct" is a term coined by the Soviet commies and used as a tool to go after their "politically incorrect" enemies? (Merely stating a fact, not politics.)

 

[Bret4207]

So here I am about to toss gasoline on the fire. "Civilian Defense Rifle" is only a name for a firearm described earlier which is on the OMG liberal dirty word. It will be very interesting to watch the Libs try to spin the Civilian Defense Rifle as something that has no useful purpose as we see crime running rampet, law enforcement agencies being defunded, and the legal system seriously ineffective.

It is going to really present the true color of the legislator that tells people that they have no right to have these arms although they are well covered by our constitution and clearly described as used for self defense.

I understand what you mean., but the media on the whole is sold on AW, we're not likely to alter that one little bit. Put your effort into being name your legislators/congress critters know well. You'll get more mileage out of that.

 

[Jeff H]

To provide some perspective - to be "fair:"

I have three friends who are English professors, who all think I am too anal about our language. "Languages evolve," they say. "YES, they DO," I say, but the constant effort of people who refuse to learn what words mean, and the fact that we already HAVE words (multiples in most cases) to describe everything already, reassigning meaning to words makes communicating clearly impossible. LAZINESS and ARROGANCE are the two main factors in this blight. So, yeah, I get peeved when someone tries to be clever with "redefining" something, especially because someone else is calling it whatever they want to call it to suit their agenda.

We should not stoop to the level of others inaccurately describing things. Yeah, an AR can be a "modern sporting rifle" and it can be a civilian defense rifle," BUT let's not paint ourselves into a corner. GEEZ! We can't even be trusted with PASTE WAX now. I don't need to excuse or qualify my rationale for owning something I'm supposed to be trusted with, like firearms - of whatever kind.

Playing word games - MIND games (some people think they are SO clever) may have a place, but in terms of effective communication and, well, HONESTY, leave it at home. I've had to tell more than a couple overly credentialed, "clever people" that if they want to play mind games, the ought to have at least shown up properly armed. I may just be a dumb hillbilly, but I mean what I say and say what I mean, unless engaged in some form of humorous or satirical endeavor. If someone says something which does not make sense to me, I start asking questions for clarification. 99% of the time, by the time the person explaining finishes, they're more confused than I am, so why not just call things what they are and save the extra work?

We might also remember that when our own predecessors sat down and hashed this all out, most private individuals were already armed with far better and more sophisticated equipment than any army was issuing. Man, I'm not an AR guy, but now I want to go out and buy one and call it an "AR" and tell people "yeah, it's an AR, an evil black rifle."

 

[RBHarter]

I went to school with a kid that was the polar opposite of the shooter profile. When he went to morning bible study to kill the 4 bully girls that had been on him for years his weapon of choice was a Win 94 30-30 . He changed his mind and suicided in the Tabernacle.

A 98 Mauser nevermind the 88,93,95,&96, were built expressly to get government contracts to build war rifles ......... I guarantee there were 2-3 million men that would tell they were plenty effective.

The Brown Bess sounds cute ........it or one of its contemporaries killed an officer standing next to Lincoln and was almost certainly at Lexington/Concord.

I'm all for calling a spade a spade vs a shovel but we have to remember that the entrenching tool is modeled after it and that beveled edge "for cutting roots and turf matt" is also advised to be used as a hand to hand weapon.

I've seen a lot of just absolutely beautiful 98s I even have a couple that aren't completely ugly but it does nothing to change what they are and for what they were built . 7 parts or less separate them from the M series just like the stock and cartridge separate Dad's 25 form the M40 .

CDR , MSR , etc has done here exactly what it's supposed to do . It shows up as a mask of unity to make it more friendly and utilitarian and spins a void of somatics that leaves a hole to be ripped open . Mission accomplished.

Lever , slide , break , bolt , gas , inertia , and blow back . Simple . Not totally helpful when comparing an M8 and an A5 but they are the same thing . I get all excited when I see a post about a 1917 ...........it's kind of a let down when it's an Eddystone. M1 isn't any better . 1895 , 1895 , M91 heck even 1873/73' and 66' are kind o vague .......

 

[Jeff H]

.....

CDR , MSR , etc has done here exactly what it's supposed to do . It shows up as a mask of unity to make it more friendly and utilitarian and spins a void of somatics that leaves a hole to be ripped open . Mission accomplished.

......

BINGO!

Wordplay, or "weaponizing" words... Being cute and clever can and will backfire and a lot of people don't think ahead these days. Whatever clever-sounding thing pops into their head has instantaneous validity because it popped into THEIR head. No critical thought or analyzing - just throw it out there before some other clever person beats you to it. It's a big world and there's a lot of competition in being special among the billions.

Be very careful what you hand someone you already know is well-practiced in the delusional game of denial and deceit.

 

[Ian]

I gave up on language in America when school administrators started saying "irregardless".....and I found it was actually a word and had been added to Webster's.

 

[Jeff H]

I gave up on language in America when school administrators started saying "irregardless".....and I found it was actually a word and had been added to Webster's.

THAT one is inexcusable, at least once someone points out to you that, uh, the prefix and suffix cancel each other out. It's as much a mechanical matter as a grammatical matter.

I screw up too, don't get me wrong, but when we carry the Internet around in our pockets every day, what's the harm in looking something up? LEARNING something besides what nasty thing someone else is doing so you've got the dirt on them? The language IS evolving, as is culture, so...

OK, I'm going to do everyone a favor and shut up now*. I'm feeling a tailspin of social diatribe coming on and I should just go cast bullets or something.

*Feel free to "like" that comment. I'm a good sport, or at least try to be.

DISCLAIMER: I am exposed to a large number of highly credentialed people on a too regular basis. When they do not make an effort to ensure they are communicating at least somewhat correctly, yet expect others to respect them for their intellectual prowess, it's just disrespectful to everyone they endeavor to impress or influence.

 

[popper]

"irregardless"
Yup, totally made up. Another I hate is physicality -- that 'ity' they want to add to every noun to make it an adjective or worse, a verb!

 

[Ian]

Meh, you're in Texas, just speak Spanglish and everyone knows what you mean.