Crime in your neighborhood?

[RicinYakima]

Answering a question about the 452423 bullet from Ben, I realized that folks think that it is excessive to be so well defended at home.

"Nuestra Familia and Nortenos were present in Yakima since the late 1970s. The Mexican Mafia aka La EME (La eMe) and Surenos were active in the Yakima Valley since the 1980s. Also Florencia13 and 18th Street have been active in the Seattle area since the early 1980s."

All of this started when cocaine became the yuppie drug of choice, as Yakima has good highways south, north and west. The Nortenos pushed out the Italian Mafia during the first drug war and took over prostitution and gambling also. Second drug was in the early '80's was a three way between the Nortenos, La eMe and a SE Asian gang. The bad news is that the county is the size of Roade Island but with a population of about 200,000, lots of places to hide.

Gangs start recruiting at age 12 and to join you have to have committed a felony by the time you are 16. So we have a high murder and violent crime rate among the gangs, but they breed like rabbits. Girls graduate from high school at one of the lowest rates in the country. People come from hundreds of miles to party and get drugs from the gangs here in town. The good part is that if you are not out looking for sex, drugs or gambling, you are pretty safe.

What risks do you have? Very small if you are home before 10:00 and stay away from the "night spots". The real risks are home invasion from folks that lost all their money, or put it all into their arm, and need more money. Robberies are common of all overnight business and parking lots like Wal-Mart.

If you know the rules, and live a good Christian life, it is a nice place to live. Be vigilant!

 

[JonB]

I'm pretty lucky in small town MN, almost no violent crime here.
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BUT, 50+ miles away in Minneapolis metro area. There are multiple shootings every night, deaths by shootings about twice a week. Also, car jackings are plentiful, day and night.
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I still think it's best to be prepared here, because it'll likely spill over into my quiet town someday.
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EDIT: It's a funny coincidence that this came up today. Just yesterday, I was at a friend's place chewing the fat. He brought up a infamous shooting death of a police officer in the next town over. It was a long drawn out event, with shooter on the lamb, and high speed chase, then driving into a active Dairy farm, then holding that farm family hostage for a period of time, before the shooter was apprehended. It happened about 30 years ago. It says something about how little violent crime there is in this area when you need to go back 30 years to tell such a tale.

 

[Winelover]

Better to be safe, than sorry.

 

[Rick]

When I was doing demographic research on where to move to one of the main things, I looked at was the crime rate. Almost non-existent here, no gangs, no car jackings, no drive by shootings. Minor drug arrests, mostly for possession. There have been a couple of serious incidents in the 12 years I've been here but overall pretty peaceful.

 

[smokeywolf]

When it comes to home safety and security, it is better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
There should be only two things limiting your security measures: 'is it legal?' and 'can I afford it?'.

 

[Rick]

Didn't say there aren't guns in the house, but I made the decision to not carry because of the low crime rate here. If I thought there were even a remote chance that I would need to be armed to go out I most likely wouldn't be living here.

 

[462]

Seven years ago, when I found out my county sheriff was freely issuing carry licenses, I got mine. Prior to that there were only six licenses issued in the county, and that included judges.

 

[glassparman]

I'm at the end of my dirt road so if someone is coming, the dogs bark, the horse is making noise and my oldest son picks up the Beretta and we are all looking to see who is coming.

We had some daytime thefts of vehicles around the area a couple years ago but they nabbed those guys.

My nephew is a county Sheriff and patrols this area and lives less than a mile away.

Yep, this is me on the right. Plus I own the 2.5 acres next to me as well.

Safety and security is good out here. Plus my neighbor and I keep an eye out for each other.

 

[Rick]

6 permits in the county huh? Several years back Los Angeles County denied a permit to Willy, the Chief of Police of the city of Los Angeles. The average Joe sure didn't stand much of a chance of getting one.

 

[462]

6 permits in the county huh? Several years back Los Angeles County denied a permit to Wily, the Chief of Police of the city of Los Angeles. The average Joe sure didn't stand much of a chance of getting one.

Though the sheriff (he 's the ex-sheriff, now) gave them out like Halloween candy, and the Supreme Court forced the new one to continue the issuing, there are less than 4000 licensees in a county of roughly 429,000. However, I'm sure there are more than 4000 gangsters who carry illegally.

 

[dale2242]

The crime rate in my area dramatically increased after the libs in Oregon legalized marijuana.
I have a CC permit but don`t carry on my person.
There is one by my bed and one in the console of my truck.
I live 70+ yards off a heavily traveled rural road with grow site basically all around me.

 

[Petrol & Powder]

There are incredible misconceptions about crime and one of the most prevalent misconceptions is that crime only exists in conjunction with dense populations. Nothing could be further from the truth.

It is unbelievably naïve to believe that crime cannot exist in a small population. Extremely rural, sparsely populated areas have the EXACT same crimes as densely populated areas, they just typically have proportionally less. Rural communicates have the same drug dealers, murderers, rapist, thieves, child molesters and other criminals as big cities. In fact, in some rural communities they have disproportionately higher numbers of some crimes such as child molestation and drug trafficking because the low density of population makes those crimes easier to conceal.

While large urban centers may have more total murders than the total numbers of murders in a small community, the rates are often similar. Same holds true for other crimes.

For criminal activity to be present the only thing needed is criminals.

Bad people exist everywhere.

 

[JWinAZ]

Yes. Drugs are an absolute scourge. Tucson has the full gamut, from gangs and cartels to addicts. Cartels have stash houses in all types of neighborhoods. Indigent addicts populate the parks and open spaces. Fentanyl is a particular problem. Shoplifting is rampant. Not good that it is ignored by the justice system.

Saw something today I haven't seen in a while: bicycle police officers. Surprised that they did not have electric bikes.

 

[Rick H]

I worked and still live in metropolitan Detroit. We have two major freeways that run through town. We have 12% of all the federally subsidized housing in the state. The area has a lot of everything, gangs drugs, Albanian B&E/Robbery crews and a large Arab immigrant population. I am told we have more than anywhere outside the middle east. Crime? Sure we have a bit.

 

[oscarflytyer]

Where I am there is crime. Not crazy/ridiculous, but exists. Did have someone open unlocked car door/open garage door (w/ opener) at 1:30 AM. That was interesting. Moved 40 min N and now in a semi-rural 49 house neighborhood. Fields in back of me/410 measured yds straight line from my front door to the front stop sign. And I know the two neighbors on both sides by the sign. My early warning! Feel fairly safe at home.

I carry religiously. As mentioned above, better to have and not need. The irony is, other than the one time wife and I had two dogs come at us and our leashed dog, the only other two times I was damned glad I had a gun on me, and thought I might have to use it, was both at local LGS's! One, a crazy/doped/drunk(?) guy tried to force his way in the door after closing as they were letting me in for an after hours class. That one got real dicey. Last was another LGS/guy in hoodie/hands in pockets comes up to the counter all nervous. He had a jammed loaded gun. again, dicey for a bit as well

 

[JonB]

There are incredible misconceptions about crime and one of the most prevalent misconceptions is that crime only exists in conjunction with dense populations. Nothing could be further from the truth.

It is unbelievably naïve to believe that crime cannot exist in a small population. Extremely rural, sparsely populated areas have the EXACT same crimes as densely populated areas, they just typically have proportionally less. Rural communicates have the same drug dealers, murderers, rapist, thieves, child molesters and other criminals as big cities. In fact, in some rural communities they have disproportionately higher numbers of some crimes such as child molestation and drug trafficking because the low density of population makes those crimes easier to conceal.

While large urban centers may have more total murders than the total numbers of murders in a small community, the rates are often similar. Same holds true for other crimes.

For criminal activity to be present the only thing needed is criminals.

Bad people exist everywhere.

On the off chance this was directed at my previous comment, I looked up the crime rate (crime index per City-Data dot com).
My small town's crime index is 61 (in 2019)
Minneapolis is 532 (in 2019)
U.S. average is 254, so Minneapolis blows the doors off P&P's theory.

 

[RBHarter]

In Nevada Mineral Co had a high crime rate something like 1400 per 100,000 violent crimes in Hawthorne and 83 more across the the county . The thing is that when you do the math for the actual population it comes out to about 4 alcohol induced DVs and 1 bar fight a month annually. About 2 more in the rest of the county about the size of Maryland with a 1.63 population density.

They say there's a lot of drugs available here , I don't see a lot of it but I don't leave home except for work . If I was to run with my gut based on life experience I'd say there was a middle man dealer if not across the highway one house back . Dealers don't allow theft or much of anything else in their neighborhoods . Makes for a pretty quiet place at home .

I keep a traveling companion when we leave home and casual probably overkill associates around the house .

I keep the clips loaded for the 45 ACP but have a bunch of AR loaded with H&G #130s because I have an 8 holer and neither of the S&Ws care for the 452-255 RF or the NOE version 454424 . A half inch hole whether it expands any or not is a big leak .

 

[358156 hp]

Here you go, have fun with it: https://crimegrade.org/crime-by-zip-code/

 

[462]

On the off chance this was directed at my previous comment, I looked up the crime rate (crime index per City-Data dot com).
My small town's crime index is 61 (in 2019)
Minneapolis is 532 (in 2019)
U.S. average is 254, so Minneapolis blows the doors off P&P's theory.

Point well made, Jon.

My workingman's city has a population 31,644 and a crime index of 140.6. The rich, progressive, uppity, elite, and quaint "village" over the hill, with a population of 3156, has an index of 255.7.

Numbers don't lie. The population of a city/town/village/rural area has nothing to do with its crime rate.

 

[RBHarter]

89415 everything in red is federal lands with nil human population. Oddly enough it gets a B- with 5x the frequency of crimes , 6x the population, and the same crimes as my D- location...... of course 10% of the property damage crimes for the year have been in the ditch in my front yard .......
89415 in 2004 had a criminal traffic problem. 1 stop in 3 had a warrant outstanding and 1/3 of those were felony warrants. Only about 1 in 15 would extradite and 1in 3 had "do not detain" orders attached to warrants .
I don't have the "luxury" of playing cards with the FD listening to the Friday night stops here .