CW's favorite handgun

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
there is only one for the 1911, the 45 ACP. i want a flying ash tray for the bullet and you can't get from a 9mm.

yes, i'm biased.
Theres a smart man!!

For the record, and altho I like the 40 FAR better then 9, it too doesn't belong in a 1911. ;)

Plenty is awesome guns designed and made in 9mm and 40.

Speaking ta scaled 1911's. Browning scaled one to 22 LR and 380. Copying the Llamas from 40 years back.

CW
 

PGPKY2014

Active Member
A few years ago a LGS had 40 s&w in anSTI 1911 setting the use for about year . I finally asked to look at it and was invited to offer an offer. I was/am not a fan of the 40,but this pistol is one of the most accurate I have and willfeedanything I have fed it, even 220,s.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
I agree in principle that a 1911A1 in some caliber other than 45 ACP borders on a sacrilege, but it can be made to work. Also note that I don't own any of these ballistic heresies--I just appreciate them second-hand.

In the modern scheme of things the 9 x 19 and 40 Short & Weak offer an advantage that mainstream 1911s cannot--high capacity, totaling 13-16 rounds full-up. How advantageous this 'Fire on the same magazine all afternoon' attribute might be is arguable for most folks, but my case might be a bit extreme--my county dealt with the 1980 Norco Bank Robbery/Chase/Shootout into Lytle Creek, and not quite 17 years later that North Hollywood debacle took place. The round count at Norco was conservatively estimated at 2700 shots fired, mostly by the hairballs. North Hollywood saw 650+ sent forth, again mostly by the clients.

The southern third of California is the epicenter of bank robbery in this country, and has been for 60+ years. That is where they keep the money--to paraphrase Mr. Dillinger. It is so frequent that in the Southern and Central Districts of the Unites States Courts the U.S. Attorneys' Offices have onerous mandatory minimum loss/violence/circumstantial thresholds to meet in order for a bank robbery to be accepted for prosecution at the Federal level. Triage, folks--there are LOTS of these to choose from, and the Feds only take the juicy ones.

The answer to the proliferation of crew/takeover bank and retail robberies soon after North Hollywood was for .gov to make a bunch of surplus A2-series de-fanged M-16s (semi-auto only) available to local and State law enforcement. 'About BLEEPing time!' was my thought at the time; my shop snagged 300 of these, and this was a valid response to the credible threat. Truth to tell, my shop has had Mini-14s in the trunks of our units since the early 1980s. They were thinly scattered over a big county, but they were out there. I know this because I was one of those rifle kids.

But know one thing about Norco--in one of the most stellar examples of combat marksmanship that I am aware of, one of our deputies at the scene of the Norco initial firefight instantly killed one of the five crew members with a head shot at distance from his 38 Special 6-shot crowd pleaser. This was done while under fire from no less than 3 military-pattern self-loading rifles (AR-15s and one HK-91). That is all he had, plus his Rem 870--with #4 Buck loads; he made it work, despite getting wounded and having his patrol unit shot all to hell around him.

On this holiday it seems appropriate that I explain to my friends on this site why my strident advocation of of the self-defense tenets I hammer you guys with are how they are--and why. Thank you for your indulgence over the years, folks.
 
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462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Excellent write up, Allen.

Knew a guy who knew a guy a guy who used a 1911 to great effect against Chi-Com nighttime human waves, even though they were dressed in thickly quilted uniforms and had sacks of rice rations draped round their body acting as body armor.
 

Tomme boy

Well-Known Member
I have had several 45acp 1911's. They just did not speak to me. I am really heavy on components and things to make them in 9mm. I just like the 9mm.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
for bouncin soda cans around, or tipping over falling plates on a warm afternoon it's hard to argue the cheap umm the cost of the 9 versus the 45.
half the powder,,, half the lead,, only sucky part now days is the primers, but free brass is everywhere to off set that a minuscule amount.
 

Walks

Well-Known Member
Theres a smart man!!

For the record, and altho I like the 40 FAR better then 9, it too doesn't belong in a 1911. ;)

Plenty is awesome guns designed and made in 9mm and 40.

Speaking ta scaled 1911's. Browning scaled one to 22 LR and 380. Copying the Llamas from 40 years back.

CW
I had one of those Lama mk lll in .380, it was very reliable. It sprayed bullets like a water out of a garden house.
 

Tomme boy

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Fiver I have not paid for any of the reloading stuff with actual money I made from working. I have always been able to pick up enough brass to sell and pay for all of my reloading stuff. It has also paid for the majority of my guns in the last 12 years. I can pick up as much as I want most days.

But the range I get it from is closing next year. The DNR is moving it to a different place that you will have to pay to use. So I have been going to this range now as much as I can just to pick up brass. I do more of that than shoot most days. I plan on shooting but I see all that brass laying everywhere and can not stand to just let it lay there.

I have enough $ from selling brass on the forums and the scrap yard in the last month to pay for a new gun. I used $350 of it already to get a new higher powered scope for my 223 Savage with the Criterion barrel. This scope is a 24x and has Japanese glass. It is VERY clear.

But I need to sight it in. But I have been out flying around Iowa with the old ladies brother. He got a new airplane and flew back for Thanksgiving. So we have been out flying all over Eastern Iowa and Western Ill.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
i try, but i can't help myself either.
if there's brass around i gotta pick it up, partly just to clean up the range.
but a lot of it is it's brand new already been tested for fit and function stuff that costs a dime or 8 new.
problem is it's 98% 9mm around here, not having a pistol or three to use it in [shrug] kind of seems to go against the concept of casting and reloading.
 

Thumbcocker

Active Member
I agree in principle that a 1911A1 in some caliber other than 45 ACP borders on a sacrilege, but it can be made to work. Also note that I don't own any of these ballistic heresies--I just appreciate them second-hand.

In the modern scheme of things the 9 x 19 and 40 Short & Weak offer an advantage that mainstream 1911s cannot--high capacity, totaling 13-16 rounds full-up. How advantageous this 'Fire on the same magazine all afternoon' attribute might be is arguable for most folks, but my case might be a bit extreme--my county dealt with the 1980 Norco Bank Robbery/Chase/Shootout into Lytle Creek, and not quite 17 years later that North Hollywood debacle took place. The round count at Norco was conservatively estimated at 2700 shots fired, mostly by the hairballs. North Hollywood saw 650+ sent forth, again mostly by the clients.

The southern third of California is the epicenter of bank robbery in this country, and has been for 60+ years. That is where they keep the money--to paraphrase Mr. Dillinger. It is so frequent that in the Southern and Central Districts of the Unites States Courts the U.S. Attorneys' Offices have onerous mandatory minimum loss/violence/circumstantial thresholds to meet in order for a bank robbery to be accepted for prosecution at the Federal level. Triage, folks--there are LOTS of these to choose from, and the Feds only take the juicy ones.

The answer to the proliferation of crew/takeover bank and retail robberies soon after North Hollywood was for .gov to make a bunch of surplus A2-series de-fanged M-16s (semi-auto only) available to local and State law enforcement. 'About BLEEPing time!' was my thought at the time; my shop snagged 300 of these, and this was a valid response to the credible threat. Truth to tell, my shop has had Mini-14s in the trunks of our units since the early 1980s. They were thinly scattered over a big county, but they were out there. I know this because I was one of those rifle kids.

But know one thing about Norco--in one of the most stellar examples of combat marksmanship that I am aware of, one of our deputies at the scene of the Norco initial firefight instantly killed one of the five crew members with a head shot at distance from his 38 Special 6-shot crowd pleaser. This was done while under fire from no less than 3 military-pattern self-loading rifles (AR-15s and one HK-91). That is all he had, plus his Rem 870--with #4 Buck loads; he made it work, despite getting wounded and having his patrol unit shot all to hell around him.

On this holiday it seems appropriate that I explain to my friends on this site why my strident advocation of of the self-defense tenets I hammer you guys with are how they are--and why. Thank you for your indulgence over the years, folks.
During the 1930s when Dillinger, Floyd, the Barrow 's et al were robbing banks, the government loaned 1917 revolvers and Krag rifles to banks. Most tellers were men. I can just imagine the conversation in the bank "Perkins, this bank pays you $10 per week . Here is a rifle and a revolver. If the Barrow gang tries to rob this facility, our shareholders and depositors, expect you to do your duty"! By the way, it was Willie Sutton who replied "because that's where they keep the money" when asked why he robbed banks.
Skeeter Skelton wrote about a shootout where border patrol officers were engaged by rum runners. One bad guy was armed with a rifle and pinning down the officers. He was cocky and sat in an open area. One officer, armed with a Colt New Service in. 38 special, made hits on the bad guy at 200 yards. Maybe the Indian is more important than the arrow.
 
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Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
But I need to sight it in. But I have been out flying around Iowa with the old ladies brother. He got a new airplane and flew back for Thanksgiving. So we have been out flying all over Eastern Iowa and Western Ill.
Wish I had a BIL like that!
 

Petrol & Powder

Well-Known Member
There have been some fantastic, single action [SA] self-loading pistols chambered in 9mm Luger. Some are made on the 1911 platform, and some based on other platforms. I’ve owned and/or shot several different SA 9mm pistols.

In my current stable of 9mm pistols, I don’t currently own a true 1911 platform. I do have a Star Super B chambered in 9mm Luger, which is fairly close to the 1911 style pistol. After some tweaking that pistol turned out to be surprisingly accurate. It’s a lot of fun to shoot.

In the world of SA, self-loading pistols chambered in 9mm Luger, there are some very notable designs. The Browning Hi-Power comes to mind. The Beretta model 1951 was influential in the later Beretta designs. The French M.A.S. model of 1950 is not common these days but was a solid post war SA 9mm pistol. The Luger P-08 is not even close in form to a 1911 pattern but it is still a SA pistol chambered in 9mm. And there’s the SIG Model 49, AKA P210 that is a SA pistol chambered in 9mm Luger. There were many other types as well. The 9mm Luger cartridge is the most prolific centerfire handgun cartridge in the world. There are a multitude of single action pistols chambered for that cartridge and some of them are pretty damn cool.
 
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CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
In the purest definition there is no 1911 9mm cause they was never chambered till modern times. Even the Super is 1930 or so.

Im. Very surprised to hear 9mm in Colt SAA. Never herd that before.

CW
 

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
I had one of those Lama mk lll in .380, it was very reliable. It sprayed bullets like a water out of a garden house.
My father had one for s while too. Couldnt kill a cottontail so he traded on a Diamond Back. Shooting cast wadcutters he killed bunnies nearly daily. ;)

In early '90's i had one too for nostalgia as it was one of thd first handguns I fired.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
Browning ......
9×19 P35/High Power
45 ACP 1911 .

40/10 I can't say definitively but the Bren 10 wasn't exactly a complete failure.

I want to say it was Beretta that invested in a design study to build the most useable, comfortable grip angle for the most cartridge cross fit and strength suitable for them . That's why the M9-96 , the M&P S&W , and P Rugers' basically mimic the P35 shape and angles .
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
We need more convertible Single Actions .
40,10, 38-40
9's , 38 , 357 . 9×19&23&/or25.
45acp ,45 mag , 45 Colts,454
Trios of 32s from ACP to 327 and 30 carb
A 25 ACP and some new 35 kpsi hot rod the same length as 22 mag .
 

oscarflytyer

Well-Known Member
We need more convertible Single Actions .
40,10, 38-40
9's , 38 , 357 . 9×19&23&/or25.
45acp ,45 mag , 45 Colts,454
Trios of 32s from ACP to 327 and 30 carb
A 25 ACP and some new 35 kpsi hot rod the same length as 22 mag .

YES!
40,10, 38-40 - only because I want a 38-40
Had a 45 ACP/45 Colt. Never really shot it much/ended up trading it for a Win 92 in 44-40 (1916). Not unhappy
was going to get out of 45 Colt, then ended up replacing the above with a Ruger Redhawk 45 ACP/45 Colt convertible (no SA, but...)
Now the 32s!!!! WOuld love one to shoot 32 L/32 Mag/32-20! And hadn't thought about the 30 Carbine, but yeah if that would work too
 

TXTad

Active Member
I have several 1911s. Most are .45, but I have one .38 Super and several 9mm. I have no problem with other calibers in the 1911 as I am confident that if JMB were alive and some agency tendered a request for a 1911 in any reasonable caliber to compete for a contract, he'd have the required number of test articles ready ASAP. The only thing that might be different is that the guns might actually be scaled specifically for the cartridge in question. I was surprised when I was reading on the history of early Colt automatics how there were several in different calibers and each was sized specifically for the cartridge it was chambered in. The craftsmen back then were not hesitant to make changes like that.
 

TXTad

Active Member
YES!
40,10, 38-40 - only because I want a 38-40
Had a 45 ACP/45 Colt. Never really shot it much/ended up trading it for a Win 92 in 44-40 (1916). Not unhappy
was going to get out of 45 Colt, then ended up replacing the above with a Ruger Redhawk 45 ACP/45 Colt convertible (no SA, but...)
Now the 32s!!!! WOuld love one to shoot 32 L/32 Mag/32-20! And hadn't thought about the 30 Carbine, but yeah if that would work too
I have an old Vaquero in .40/.38-40 which I think is great. I was talking with a Lipsey's rep about it and how much I liked it, and how much I'd like to see a Blackhawk in .38-40. He said that Ruger said they'd never do another .38-40. He wasn't sure why, but that a guess might be that some people had trouble with the bottle-necked cartridge.

I know that there are companies that will make a custom cylinder for a Ruger, but I think they are generally fluteless, which is sad. I think that cylinders should be fluted as deeply as the chambering allows. Even better if each corner at the front of each flute is chamfered.

In general, though, I agree that there needs to be many more convertibles, and more than two chamberings when possible.

I'm even weird enough that I'd like to have a .38 Special-specific cylinder for my 9mm/.357 Blackhawk. Same for a .327, .32 H&R, .32 S&W.