First time powder coating

popper

Well-Known Member
I started with PC gun that negative charges powder, works fine. Took a while to get shake&bake to coat. Cheesy little cheese container is 'poor'.
1) Use thick wall #5 bowl! S&B, the powder pulls positive charge from the bowl when swirled (friction). #5 plastic is a better electrical insulator to prevent the charge from leaking out to your body. Humidity absorbs the charge. Plastic beads/BBs help, not required. They do help as a cushion also.
2) shaking gets the charged powder airborn to settle on the bullets. Chef shake or just up & down.
3) I've S&B bullets with OneShot on them, still works but spotchy results - I don't 'clean' any before S&B.
4) Knockoff EXCESS powder for better coating. Whatever method you choose. I use hemos for pickup and drop on hard surface, then onto the plate for cooking. I ruin more nitril gloves putting them on.
5) PC has a flow temp (~200F) longer you hold temp there, smoother coating. 5 min should work - allows that thick liquid to flow. Then raise temp to cure temp. Anything above the cure temp but below slump temp works fine! I WD/HT so cook an hour (or longer if lazy) -NO problem - HF or Smokes powder. Temp/time wise, you bullets will slump/melt before the coating is damaged. HF red is fine, other colors are bad - and it mixes with other powders fine.
Machine/auto PC companies may sell used powder cheap, beware it may be floor sweepings and be contaminated. There are architectural grade PC that you do NOT want to use, it's just a shiny surface coating and has low abrasion resistance.
I use Yoshi copper flat mats (there are other brands?)over a steel plate now & stand up bullets. I cook on my mould hot plate with 2 floor tiles to even out heat. Set to max, watch for nice flow and then cover with a plastic baking pan she gave me, let set for an hour. Remove and dump in iced water for HT if desired. I also GC before PC (rifle) with larger sizer so the GC stays on.
I've played with undersizing, then PC and size proper but no real conclusion yet. All my rifle moulds are slick sided with an tiny groove for displaced alloy. I undersized the nose by 5 thous. to account for PC, GC shank is undersized also - Hornady's fit fine.
That's my process that works.
 

waco

Springfield, Oregon
So as I see more and more pics of people's work with PC, I have to admit my somewhat fragile ego is in awe of the results you guys are getting. I keep telling myself that the small areas where there is no pigment coverage on my bullets is not an issue, but it still kind of irks me.

So I ask the herd this ... Where are you guys getting your shake and bake powders? So far I have only used powder that I have purchased on another forum. Should I try a different brand and see if I can get the results that you are all getting?
I buy my Eastwood powder off Amazon.
 

Dimner

Named Man
okay so sky blue will shake and bake? I'll give it a shot. Any other colors that people have luck with shake and bake?
 

462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
This has become my favorite. All the benefits of PC with the traditional look of cast.
Walter,
I remember seeing, and commenting on, the picture(s) you posted of your clear coated bullets. If I ever start painting bullets it would be with clear.

That said, I'm going to have my son-in-law paint some Lee 358-158 RNFNs. He has red, blue and green. I'm going with red, because they'll be tested in the Blackhawk and Ruger's eagle is red.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
mine goes on like the grey pictured ones.
some colors cover better than others.
blue, green, greys do okay.
yellow not so much.

it might be because I use a long slow heat up, and hold the wet flow stage [350-375] for around 15-20 minutes before bumping to the [400] cure stage.
 

BBerguson

Official Pennsyltuckian
Eastwood periwinkle grey and Ford blue have worked great for me. Gloss black is “less dry” and coated the bullets easily but clumped together some. After that first batch I started mixing it 1 part to 2 either grey or blue and it then worked fine. I bought them because they were on sale or at least the cheapest and I’ll buy them again when I need more.
 

Mitty38

Well-Known Member
ANY BODY ELSE USE A HUMIDIFIER OR A DEHUMIDIFIER AND GET THE ROOM TO 45 TO 60% HUMIDITY BEFORE COATING?
I used to spray on powder and also paint, and that was the recommended humidity for most application processes, just like when you want a good lacquer paint job.
So I just carried over humidity control to the swirl method. Just wait till the humidity is right, before I dump it all together.
I never heat or use plastic balls.
I have never had an issue with the coating not adhering with a little swirling, in a butter dish.
 
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Dimner

Named Man
ANY BODY ELSE USE A HUMIDIFIER OR A DEHUMIDIFIER AND GET THE ROOM TO 45 TO 60% HUMIDITY BEFORE COATING?
I used to spray on powder and also paint, and that was the recommended humidity for most application processes, just like when you want a good lacquer paint job.
So I just carried over humidity control to the swirl method. Just wait till the humidity is right, before I dump it all together.
I never heat or use plastic balls.
I have never had an issue with the coating not adhering with a little swirling, in a butter dish.
I use desiccant packets tucked in the plastic bowls where my powder is stored. That way I don't have to worry much about room humidity. There isn't much humidity that will be picked up from the time I drop in bullets to the time I seal the bowl back up after placing powdered bullets on the baking sheet.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
I have powder coated in summertime in my garage. Ever been to Nebraska in the summer? I can assure you the humidity ain’t anywhere near 45%. Some days I take a shower to dry off.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
I'd have to fill the room with water to get anywhere close to 45%.
usually when I cast in the dead of winter I have a gallon pot of water steaming away on the wood stove.