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Ian

Notorious member
Meplat and ogive are two words that I have run through an on-line pronunciation program. Minié and gib are two others that come to mind. I strive not to be a total hick around other gun cranks.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
FWIW;
Actually, both words are French, with ogive (oh-jive) meaning "pointed arch." Meplat (mee-plah) refers to a flat, which describes the frontal portion of a bullet, with the dimension usually given in calibers.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
Yet another example of why we love American English . I'd almost bet that bourbon is French for burned barrel .
 

Rockydoc

Well-Known Member
FWIW;
Actually, both words are French, with ogive (oh-jive) meaning "pointed arch." Meplat (mee-plah) refers to a flat, which describes the frontal portion of a bullet, with the dimension usually given in calibers.
Thanks for that Ric, I have mis-pronounced those words forever. In fact I mis-pronounce almost every unfamiliar French word.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
Meplat and ogive are two words that I have run through an on-line pronunciation program. Minié and gib are two others that come to mind. I strive not to be a total hick around other gun cranks.

"Sabot" Also French, and in reference to a wooden shoe, and the root word for "sabotage," from the days of disgruntled textile workers throwing wooden shoes into the works of mechanization, in protest of being replaced by machines. I've most often heard it pronounced "SABITT," like rabbit, but apparently is pronounced "SAY-BOH" in the land of the original language, form which it hails.

"SAKO," which is an acronym, Finnish, and not pronounced in Finland the way most of us pronounce it in the US.

It's usually best to assimilate and adapt to the local pronunciation, lest you be singled out as a spy, heretic, or worse - a pedantic.

EDIT:
Incidentally, The "English language," since the time of the Anglo-Saxons, has been heavily influenced by Celtic, German, Norse and French languages.
 
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Jeff H

NW Ohio

i'll replace them with a hundred, of my home made slightly improved version of these though.
Had a Ruger No.3 with 1:10 twist that just loved those bullets, when motivated by 25 grains of H335.
That same load, with the bullet seated slightly more deeply were the favored diet of a 1:9 twist CZ527.
I have a FEW left and have not yet tried them in my current 223, which has a 1:12 twist and I am almost afraid to "waste" them finding out if they'll shoot. I have seriously considered going back to a tighter twist (easy enough on a Contender Carbine) and making this my only 223 bullet.
 

Joshua

Taco Aficionado/Salish Sea Pirate/Part-Time Dragon
“English uses the same 26-letter Latin alphabet as French, but has 44 distinct phonemes associated with those letters, while French only has 36. Within that 36, there are six vowel sounds and four consonants not found in English, meaning there are a total of 10 new sounds to learn.” Random linguistic quote from the internet.

With French words we often try to pronounce them with a sound that doesn’t exist in their language, or we don’t have any idea how to even make their unique sounds with our English mouths.

A great example is the rolling “R” sound that is used in Spanish. It doesn’t exist in English. The first week of any Spanish class is filled with bad attempts to make that sound.
 

462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Spanish has a "rr" letter that is really rolled.

Anyone familiar with the Great War, knows about the battles near Ypres, Belgium. The local grandson, for a reason known only to him, took four years of high school French and another four years of college French. Knowing that Flemish and French are closely related, I asked him if he knew how to pronounce Ypres. He hadn't a clue. My understanding is, it's pronounced ee paw. The tommies had it right -- Wipers.
 

JonB

Halcyon member
Didn't know it was French, but explains why nobody knows how to pronounce it. In fact, I've never heard anyone say it.
I've used the term meplat many times while chatting at the gunshows...I always get the look, like I'm a foreigner, LOL.
 

Ian

Notorious member
"English uses the same 26-letter Latin alphabet as French, but has 44 distinct phonemes associated with those letters, while French only has 36. Within that 36, there are six vowel sounds and four consonants not found in English, meaning there are a total of 10 new sounds to learn.” Random linguistic quote from the internet.

French drives me nuts because most words contain 15 or 20 letters, but they only pronounce them up to the first consonant and then make a noise like they go a mouth full of spoiled clam chowder.
 

L Ross

Well-Known Member
French drives me nuts because most words contain 15 or 20 letters, but they only pronounce them up to the first consonant and then make a noise like they go a mouth full of spoiled clam chowder.
Ever see the Simpson's episode where grounds keeper Willie substitutes for the French Teacher at Springfield's school?

Willie says, "Bonjourrrrrrrrrrrrr, ya bunch a cheese eatin' surrrrrrrrenderrrr monkeys."
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
you could do a whole lot worse than that bullet.
it isn't the highest B.C. for sure but it has enough sectional density to get the job done.
i wouldn't be afraid to use it on deer with a good broadside, or high neck shot.

i could tell you why it is so accurate, but anyone that has a good grasp on cast bullet fitment can already figure it out for themself.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
I'm reminded of the young child that was bilingual reading the menu in the Mexican restaurant and asking his parents what hey yo was . Being equally unsure they suggested asking the waitress . The boy asked her what it was she asked him to show her so he points at the dessert and repeats what's hey yo . The waitress laughs and says "that's Jello" .

A proper noun remains even if the speaker says it's another language .

Grey , gray
Catsup , ketchup
Color , colour
Tough , enough , through , threw , though , thought , dough ..........
Pony and bologna rhyme but Bolognese isn't even close .
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
Spanish has a "rr" letter that is really rolled.

Anyone familiar with the Great War, knows about the battles near Ypres, Belgium. The local grandson, for a reason known only to him, took four years of high school French and another four years of college French. Knowing that Flemish and French are closely related, I asked him if he knew how to pronounce Ypres. He hadn't a clue. My understanding is, it's pronounced ee paw. The tommies had it right -- Wipers.
Yocana just down the road is "Yuck can knee" .......
 

Rick H

Well-Known Member
I had a hell of a time in German class in HS. Couldn't get used to coughing and spitting to properly pronounce the words.