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Petrol & Powder

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In terms of buying power, it's pretty close.

The federal minimum wage in 1964 was $1.25/hour (not every worker was entitled to that but it's a convenient yardstick)
So a $9 mold would would represent about a day's pay, excluding taxes.
 

fiver

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I wonder if production costs are down though.
there can't be so much 'guy standing right there' time involved.
there probably is a guy standing right there, but he is standing between 4-6 machines looking at a computer screen, not physically standing directly over one.
 

358156 hp

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I had a similar experience at a gun show. A vendor had many, many Ideal NOS SCs for something like $12.00 ea. I asked if there were quantity discounts and he said okay, as long as I took them all. So I did. There were around 20 or so, and I gave him $200.00 cash and left with my treasures. I sold off the unwanted ones on Boolits for more than enough to repay the original purchase price, plus I traded a few. I sold them in small batches, well spread out over several months, to avoid looking like a vendor.

And then there was the time...
 

358156 hp

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BTW, is Al at NOE adding to his stock? I'm not seeing any new stuff listed. I imagine he has a manufacturing plan to stick to, but his handgun mould selection is pretty badly depleted.
 

Petrol & Powder

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I wonder if production costs are down though.
there can't be so much 'guy standing right there' time involved.
there probably is a guy standing right there, but he is standing between 4-6 machines looking at a computer screen, not physically standing directly over one.
It's never that simple.
The costs include the higher labor rate PLUS - compliance with OSHA regulations, compliance with environmental regulations. Health insurance for the employee, unemployment insurance for the employee. Local & state taxes on the facility (real estate, business and property). Utility taxes. Federal taxes for the employer. The cost of the raw materials, including transportation costs. The cost of those 4 - 6 machines (perhaps in the range of hundreds of thousands of dollars) distributed over the finished products made by those machines. The cost of transportation of the finished product to the point of sale. Packaging, including mandated warnings and maybe bilingual printing. Does the manufacturer need to set aside money for potential product liability litigation? Is the manufacturer paying for previous litigation? And so on and so on.......

While we may have greatly improved the actual efficiency of making a particular product and therefore made that part of the manufacturing cost lower; other factors have increased the overall cost of manufacturing.

I would be willing to bet that the TIME needed to make a particular part is now much shorter that it was 50+ years ago but the total COST to make that same part has increased.

EVERY cost increase borne by an enterprise gets passed on to the end consumer.
Businesses do not absorb cost increases, (taxes, fuel, labor, raw materials, insurance, etc.). They pass those costs on to their customers.
 

smokeywolf

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I remember in SoCal in 1964, $9.00 would buy about 35 gallons of gas. Today in SoCal, 35 gallons of gas is about $122.
 

STIHL

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The price of manufacture hasn’t went up necessarily it’s the raw materials, shipping costs, overhead, etc. you can expect a 3-5% climb every year in everything due to inflation, but shipping and freight costs are out the damn roof. That will drive the price up.

Either way I’m not fussing about 96 bucks for a new one I’m not in the selling business at this point in life, I’m in the buying of molds to try, now 5-6 years hold on I may be going to come off of some that I no longer use or need, but I’ve done pretty well so far picking bullet designs. I’ve got a couple I’ll never get rid of as they were givin to me, if they ever leave my possession they will be handed to someone the same way I received them. I’ve got a couple I’m wanting from Tom but I’ll give it tie to cool off before I buy them.
 

358156 hp

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I remember Midway pricing 2C Lyman moulds for $76 about six months ago. Spot on.
I just checked Brownells, they're at $85.00 for a 2 cavity Lyman, but they ain't got any. MidSouth is still showing around $75.00, but they ain't got any.
 
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Ian

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I got some numbers added to the other electronic numbers in my bank account. For now it spends the same as cash. For now.
 

Tomme boy

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Expect everything to have huge increase shortly. A couple factories here have just gave all their employees a 3-5$ raise. And increased starting pay the same. Reason was not being able to find anyone to work. People are making more money not working or working just long enough to quit working and go on govt welfare stating they are afraid of the bat flu.

I have heard this from other friends I have in other states doing the same where they are.
 

quicksylver

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Years ago a fellow gun dealer suggested that rather than comparing cost in dollars,figure how many hours of pay it took"back then" and hours it takes now to buy a simular product, some are more and others are less.
 

Petrol & Powder

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Years ago a fellow gun dealer suggested that rather than comparing cost in dollars,figure how many hours of pay it took"back then" and hours it takes now to buy a simular product, some are more and others are less.
That is the correct way to look at inflation.
Having more money doesn't absolutely mean you have more buying power.

There's a tendency to view inflation as only the cost of goods and services. That is an incomplete view of inflation. Inflation of wages and salaries has a direct consequence on the cost of goods and services.

Large scale pay increases (like when the minimum wage is increased) do NOT increase the overall buying power of the population (despite the lies that are often told to support higher minimum wages). In fact, large scale increases in pay often drive the costs of goods and services up disproportionately and have the overall effect of DECREASING individual buying power.

There are many historical examples of this on a small scale, such as hyper-inflated prices in boom towns. San Francisco during the gold rush days is a classic example. Oil boom towns in the 1920's and even in the 2010's are another example.

On a larger scale, when most families had a single income earner; families with dual incomes had significantly higher buying power. When the economy adjusted to most families having dual incomes, prices went up and dual income families went from enjoying the benefits of dual incomes to the burden of needing dual incomes to meet the higher costs.

Money and buying power are not the same thing.
 

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California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
One day while shopping at a local Safeway, my wife met an old high school friend who was the produce department manager. Eventually their conversation got round to my wife working for Ma Bell, and that the job was unionized though she was (and remains) anti-union. The friend said Safeway monitored labor contracts and raised its priced when unionized employees' wages were increased. Instant loss of buying power for every family, but more so for the non-unionized families.