Mauser models difference

[Rushcreek]

I like all Mausers, but I've yet to own an 1871 or an 1891. I currently have two 1916(1893) rifles, one is an Interarms "sporter" 7x57mm and the other is my custom 30-30 spoerter. It's one of my favorite rifles- lightweight and accurate. The only 1898 Mausers I have are a Polish barreled action 8mm and a 43 LaCarona action- projects to do.
I also have a 1917 Remington it's like a 93 Mauser on steroids........

 

[Dimner]

I like all Mausers, but I've yet to own an 1871 or an 1891. I currently have two 1916(1893) rifles, one is an Interarms "sporter" 7x57mm and the other is my custom 30-30 spoerter. It's one of my favorite rifles- lightweight and accurate. The only 1898 Mausers I have are a Polish barreled action 8mm and a 43 LaCarona action- projects to do.
I also have a 1917 Remington it's like a 93 Mauser on steroids........

Ooooh. I would love pics of a mauser converted to 30-30!

 

[Petrol & Powder]

One could fill a book with the details of Mauser actions and others have done just that.

I never considered the pre-98 models to be weak, but the 98 models do have better gas handling features if you suffer a failed casing. And the only time the “safety” lugs come into play is if the main lugs somehow fail. I think the bottom line is the models evolved and the 98 became the mature result of that evolution. That doesn’t mean the earlier models were bad, it just means the design was still being tweaked up to that point. As such, the 98 action became a bit more desirable in the decades that followed. To me it’s sort of like the cars with the old 6-volt electrical systems verses the newer 12-volt systems. The 12-volt systems became the norm and are sometimes seen as more desirable and yet the 6-volt stuff works just fine. Some design evolutions result in clearly better mechanisms and some evolutions are only slight improvements on an already good design.

The cock on opening verses cock on close debate can go on indefinitely without much progress for either camp. I will say the cock on opening system may be a little easier on the sear surfaces when the actions are dirty and abused but it’s not a critical difference in normal operation.

The numbers of model 98’s found in the world might also have an effect. While model 95’s and others pre-98’s aren’t rare, there were incredible numbers of 98’s made. That alone can have an effect. Same holds true for the aftermarket parts supply. It is often easier to find aftermarket parts for the 98 than similar parts for a pre-98.

 

[Bret4207]

It does sound interesting if it feeds from the mag.

 

[Dimner]

One could fill a book with the details of Mauser actions and others have done just that.

I never considered the pre-98 models to be weak, but the 98 models do have better gas handling features if you suffer a failed casing. And the only time the “safety” lugs come into play is if the main lugs somehow fail. I think the bottom line is the models evolved and the 98 became the mature result of that evolution. That doesn’t mean the earlier models were bad, it just means the design was still being tweaked up to that point. As such, the 98 action became a bit more desirable in the decades that followed. To me it’s sort of like the cars with the old 6-volt electrical systems verses the newer 12-volt systems. The 12-volt systems became the norm and are sometimes seen as more desirable and yet the 6-volt stuff works just fine. Some design evolutions result in clearly better mechanisms and some evolutions are only slight improvements on an already good design.

The cock on opening verses cock on close debate can go on indefinitely without much progress for either camp. I will say the cock on opening system may be a little easier on the sear surfaces when the actions are dirty and abused but it’s not a critical difference in normal operation.

The numbers of model 98’s found in the world might also have an effect. While model 95’s and others pre-98’s aren’t rare, there were incredible numbers of 98’s made. That alone can have an effect. Same holds true for the aftermarket parts supply. It is often easier to find aftermarket parts for the 98 than similar parts for a pre-98.

Oddly, at least up here in the mitten, it's far easier to find a pre-98 than a 98. Could be a regional thing, or it could be that everyone is holding onto them.

 

[Rockydoc]

“The mitten” ?? Vas ist das??

 

[Rick H]

 

[todd]

Mauser Bolt Rifles, 3rd Edition By Ludwig Olson

its a good book to read.

 

[todd]

the 16 Spanish Mausers are good if you rebarrel them. i have two and i cleaned it out for a few days, slugged them and shot them at 100 yards. i only found one boolit that had hit the target (3'x3'). i moved to 50 yards and i sort of got groups with it. 1st rifle it 4 out of 5 shots on it was a 27" group. 2nd rifle was horrible, 3 out 5 shots was 32".

i did one 16 Spanish in 6.5 swede and i got a 2" group at 100 yards, i still have to reload for it. the 2nd rifle will be a 257 Roberts, whenever i can.

i have a 95 Chilean Mauser action that i have to do.......someday. my Husqvarna m46 (96 Swedish Mauser?) had a cock on close, but i did Dayton-Traister Speed Lock kit and now it cock on open. i found the Husqvarna was hard on closing the bolt, but now it is easy.

the 08 Brazilian Mauser and the 24/30 Venezuelan Mauser are both 98 Mausers and i know what the large ring does, but to me it ain't as comfortable in 93-96 Mausers. i'm a small ring guy.

 

[Bret4207]

I hear ya Todd! My Turk holds 2" groups...6" from the muzzle! I've never seen anything with a bore so abused, not rusted and worn, but abused. Who ever the guys were that had this rifle must ahve taken all their frustrations out on the innards of the barrel! It would make a great 35 Rem or something...

 

[Petrol & Powder]

“The mitten” ?? Vas ist das??

You might be from Michigan if ..​

You define summer as three months of bad sledding.
You can identify an Ohio accent.
Owning a Japanese car was a hanging offense in your hometown.
You know how to play (and pronounce) Euchre.
The Big Mac is something that you drive across.
You believe that "down south" means Toledo.
You bake with soda and drink pop.
You drive 86 on the highway and you pass on the right.
Your Little League baseball game was snowed out.
You learned how to drive a boat before you learned how to ride a bike.
You know how to pronounce "Mackinac."
The word "thumb" has a geographical rather than an anatomical significance.
You have experienced frostbite and sunburn in the same week.
You expect Vernor's when you order ginger ale.
You know that Kalamazoo not only exists, but that it isn't far from Hell.
Your favorite holidays are Christmas, Thanksgiving, deer season, and Devil's Night.
Your snowmobile, lawn mower and fishing boat all have big block Chevy engines.
At least one person in your family disowns you during the Michigan/Michigan State football game.
Your year has two seasons: Winter and Construction.
Traveling coast to coast means driving from Port Huron to Muskegon.
Half the change in your pocket is Canadian, eh.
You show people where you grew up by pointing to a spot on your left hand.

 

[Dimner]

You drive 86 on the highway and you pass on the right.

Wait, that's just a michigan thing? Wow. I figured that was nation wide.

 

[richhodg66]

I have really come to like the small rings. This sporter showed up on a pawn shop rack cheap. Wasn't 100% sure of the caliber as it's not marked but obviously a rebarrel. The pawn broker said it was a 7x57 but wouldn't swear to it for sure. I brought a sized .270 case in and told him if he'd let me try to chamber it and it wouldn't, I'd be convinced it was a 7x57 and would buy it. He let me and the rest is history. I love this rifle, Chilleno made in Berlin. I have a few built on Oviedos now, one seems to have good potential, not sure about the other. I also have one in 8x57 which I think is eventually gonna be a good woods deer gun with cast bullets. That one is probably gonna be a retirement project.

 

[Dimner]

So I have this 1938 turkish mauser that is not matching and someone refinished and slightly modded the military stock. So I figure I will take it a little further down the sporter route.

What kind of full sporter stock should I be looking for? Just any ol 98 mauser?

 

[Bret4207]

My ratty Arisaka, "The Homely Girl". IIRC I paid $135.00 for it and the shop owner was ecstatic to finally be rid of it. Weighs in about 6 lbs, carries like a dream. 6.5x257. Does pretty fair with jacketed. Never tried cast in it yet.

 

[todd]

So I have this 1938 turkish mauser that is not matching and someone refinished and slightly modded the military stock. So I figure I will take it a little further down the sporter route.

What kind of full sporter stock should I be looking for? Just any ol 98 mauser?

when i buy a new stock that needs finished is Richards' Micro gunstock. if you don't have the time, then Boyd's.

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when i'm going to just re-finish the stock, i use Citristrip to take off the finish. i then steam iron (use one thats NOT your wife's or significant other), i sand it using (depending) 220, 340 and 400 grit sandpaper, then wood grain filler, 340 or 400 grit sandpaper and then fine copper/bronze wool and finally cheese cloth. then i put 3 or more coats of Miniwax Antique Oil. i have two processes, 1. rotten stone and 3in1 oil to make the stock smooth and then Johnson's Paste Wax and then Ballistol or 2. two or three coats of Minwax Polyurethane Oil and mineral spirits (mixture is 3 Poly: 1 mineral spirits, although you can do 2:1 or 4:1). i don't use poly wipe on, it's too expensive and you can make it on your own, just like i do, poly oil and mineral spirits. i've done three stocks with the poly/mineral spirits and i like it.

https://www.amazon.com/Citristrip-QCSG801-Paint-Varnish-Stripping/dp/B07LF8T6PM/ref=asc_df_B07LF8T6PM?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80470562649166&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4584070140090702&psc=1

i used Lin-speed oil, but the time between coats makes it brutal, dry in 1 - 2 weeks. i don't use Tru-oil because i am cheap basturd and Antique Oil does the same thing, but better.

 

[Bret4207]

Huh. I really need to wipe the dust and crud off before I take a pic next time...

 

[Missionary]

Naw... It is full of history that just oozed out to the surface.

 

[Bret4207]

Naw... It is full of history that just oozed out to the surface.

HAR! It's just a little dustier than when I got it. Some guns sit in the safe. The "using guns" sit where I can get at them quick, eg- the dust! She would look better if I did some work on the finish though. I think it's just oil, and it may be Mazola or 30 wt for all I know!

But you look at the wood on that ol' thing. Whoever whittled it down left just enough to work and not much more. Nothing clunky or "fat" about it. That's the charm to my eye and certainly to my hands when carrying it.

 

[Rushcreek]

This is my 1916 Oviedo/Numrich 30-30 sporter. It shot horribly as a 7mm and I had the 7.62x39 m98 barrel laying around and one thing led to another.
I just slugged my newest $100 1916 7mm- about halfway down to the chamber, the slug became easy to push out. The oval by a thousandth slug went .287" to .288".....
It lobs Federal 175gr factory loads about 16" apart at 40yds....
It needs a new barrel, perhaps .257 Roberts if not 7x57mm.