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Snakeoil

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Times were simpler. Most moms were just that, moms. Daycare had not been invented yet. Games were made by Milton Bradley. Good guys were the heroes on TV and cartoons were funny. One car was enough and we did not even know that BMW made cars. If you were lucky enough to own a car, it was a jalopy and if you could not work on it, one of your friends could and would. You helped your dad with projects around the house he taught the value of doing a good job.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Agree, simpler. But the problems were just as big to the people going through them. No one had a credit card, interest rates were relatively high, there was no assurance of getting any kind of loan, being on any kind of public assistance outside of a war related injury was cause for shame, everyone had a common frame of reference because we all watched the same movies at the local theater or on TV, or listened to the same shows on radio. Everyones dad worked, if mom did it was likely part time and the neighbors would rat you out to the parents in heartbeat if you screwed up. The good guys were good, the bad guys were bad and we had a concrete concept of right and wrong. Divorce was not common, families weren't perfect, people were the same idiots as now, but society seemed a lot more willing to "get all judgy" and ostracize the bad players.

Bet my grandfathers said the same sort of thing when they were my age, and their grandfathers too.
 

L Ross

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You had to have lived them to know they were better. I'll argue that it all started falling apart after a certain November event in Dallas.
I always attributed the decline in society, manufacturing, morals, courtesy, the early onset of halitosis, and dandruff to the appearance of the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan Show. ;)
 
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RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
I always attributed the decline in society, manufacturing, morals, courtesy, the early onset of halitosis, and dandruff to the appearance of the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan Show. ;)
No, before that! When he let them show Elvis doing his pelvis dance.
 

Snakeoil

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Years ago, when I was in high school and teachers were no unionized, a teacher read a short article to the class. It went on about how the younger generation has no respect for tradition and they are lazy and all the stuff you hear people carping about kids today. When she was done, she asked if anyone knew who wrote it. Kids' guesses were all over the place, including one who thought it might have been Hitler. It turned out to have been written by somebody whose name I cannot remember, but lived in ancient Greece.

Brett is right. People stay the same. Only the labels on the hot buttons change.

So last night on the news, it was announced that the state has told all the schools that use Native Americans as school mascots, that they have to change or at least stop by some time period, I think it was a year. I'm not a Native American. But if I were, I think I'd be kinda proud that a school chose to use my culture to represent their spirit on the playing field.

I was going to give some examples to make a point, but thought it would probably push the rules here. So, instead I'll offer up in a more benign way. Think about the various slur names given to various groups of people in the country. There is no shortage. Now what if one of those groups had a school and used the slur as their mascot. You know, a school in Harlem called the Fighting Slurs. Or maybe a Jewish school in the Bronx calling themselves the Battling Slurs. Pick a nationality/culture and then pick a mascot name. Since they would be referring to themselves, I suspect that anyone having a problem with it would look pretty foolish. I think it would be hysterical and make a very clear statement about all this foolishness. Imagine all inner city schools in NYC fighting over names like , The Junkies, The Hookers, The Tweakers, The Cabbies...

My high school mascot was "The Dutchmen". To my knowledge, we have not heard any complaints yet from the Ambassador from Holland. But you never know.

Brett, what do you think about changing the mascot name for the local school up where you are to the "The Cowflops"?

I think we could start a trend here, guys. ;)
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
These days, with farms shutting down right and left, something more like "The My Dad has been on Disability Since He was 23 and Never Worked a Day in His Life but You Ought to See Him Cook Meth" would be more appropriate. Aren't many farm kids left!
 

Ian

Notorious member
I heard rumor of a note reflecting some merchant's anxiety over the declining morals and work ethics of youth was found and translated from sanskrit. Iirc it was found in the big "library" not far from Baghdad when the big excavations were being performed.

Lao Tze was about to ride off into the desert to die from heart-sickness at the ways of men but was persuaded by a gatekeeper to record his philosophy for posterity, which became the Tao Te Ching. I don't know if it is true but the legend has persisted for millenia.

Edit to add, a neighboring town's high school name was the Hillbillies. It was changed to the "Battlin' Billies" a few decades ago, and the mascot changed to a billie goat.
 
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RBHarter

West Central AR
I hail from the mighty Green Wave ......kind of weird in the middle of a desert , but when the wind blows across the alfalfa fields it in fact looks like green waves and that's better than the original . They were Melon Pickers and that changed before WWII , and long before the signs came down advising POCs not to loiter on the streets after dark .
To the North and just west there were the Reed Raiders and Sparks Railroaders . The Fernely Vaqueros were closer .
To the south we had the Mineral county Serpents with Cecil in a dragon outfit , see Beanie and Cecil .
A little further south are the Tonopah Muckers , see mining mud manual removal .

Twittle twat acres is a real trucking company.
Puckerbrush is a real town that's basically a truck stop on I80 about 40 miles from nothing.

The Sage brush ranch and the HBO featured brothels are across US 50 in Mound House from the Extreme bullet company or at least where they were once located just outside the Moonlight Bunny Ranch industrial park .

So much vulgarity and offensiveness .

About 30 years ago there was a push to change the name of some 200 map points . The really big one was the Catskill mnts , some folks felt it promoted violence and animal cruelty...... It was my understanding that the folks that named all of those _____kil/l places did so because it meant creek .....
There is also a ni-double g er creek that folks wanted to change the name of about 15 years ago but that too as I recall was shut down by the local population.

Maybe I'm just so callused that I don't get my feelings hurt by much of nuthin' but the only thing I seem to find really offensive is the folks that find everything offensive. That and the ones that automatically assume that I'm a racist bigot because I had an avitar that featured Yankee Doodle, Jonny Reb and Black Beard .
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Yup, "kill" is "crick" in Dutch IIRC, and "crick" is "creek" in Adirondack-ese. There are still some N word mountains in the Adks, at least as of the late 90's. What people find acceptable in language changes over time. The various curse words that are common place now in movies and on TV used to get you thrown out of a lot a bars!

Kinda makes you wonder how far we will go in degrading ourselves in the future.
 

358156 hp

At large, whereabouts unknown.
Agree, simpler. But the problems were just as big to the people going through them. No one had a credit card, interest rates were relatively high, there was no assurance of getting any kind of loan, being on any kind of public assistance outside of a war related injury was cause for shame, everyone had a common frame of reference because we all watched the same movies at the local theater or on TV, or listened to the same shows on radio. Everyones dad worked, if mom did it was likely part time and the neighbors would rat you out to the parents in heartbeat if you screwed up. The good guys were good, the bad guys were bad and we had a concrete concept of right and wrong. Divorce was not common, families weren't perfect, people were the same idiots as now, but society seemed a lot more willing to "get all judgy" and ostracize the bad players.

Bet my grandfathers said the same sort of thing when they were my age, and their grandfathers too.
And somewhere it was decided that these sort of transgressions could not be allowed to continue, and after many years it became so.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
well yeah.
you can't have a umm majority having the same [actual] beaver cleaver values.

wish i was better at big words it'd be a lot easier to not get my post deleted.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Makes you wonder where all this will end up. Historically, we'd be ripe for being overrun.
 
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