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And they were sized the same day they were cast. And they went "creak" too.
 

Brad

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Lube? On bullets?
I actually rerun a sized and lubed bullet every 10 to 20 just to keep the lead in taper lubed.
 

Ian

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I tumbled some 20 bhn aged bullets in just a hint of Ben's liquid lube last night, let them dry for an hour, and they zipped right through my Lyman H-die in a Keith-the-Perfesser-special press adapter. Normally I roll rifle bullets on a case lube pad before sizing, or put them in a ziplock and spritz them with a little of my homemade spray-bottle case lube (lanolin and castor oil thinned out with lots of 99% isopropyl alcohol).
 
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Try a little lube on them.

I was originally running every third to fifth bullet through the die again to keep the taper at the leade lubricated. Finally I ended up using Imperial sizing wax on the bullets. Then I sold off the mould because it was a pain to cast with too. That mould had lots of bearing surface. I'm going to keep the 357 at or under 185 grains max. for my needs.
 

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Today I will be heat treating some of the copper added bullets.
100 each will go to 450, 400, and 375 degrees for a full hour then get quenched.

I added a few 44 mag bullets I cast from my 310 Lee mould from the same alloy to each heat treat batch. These have a nice flat nose that is quite easy to check hardness on.

Time will tell what I get for BHn from these but the 450 degree group will likely go over 24.
 

Brad

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Today I will be heat treating some of the copper added bullets.
100 each will go to 450, 400, and 375 degrees for a full hour then get quenched.

I added a few 44 mag bullets I cast from my 310 Lee mould from the same alloy to each heat treat batch. These have a nice flat nose that is quite easy to check hardness on.

Time will tell what I get for BHn from these but the 450 degree group will likely go over 24.
 

Rick

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Will be interesting to see what 375 ends up, that's lower than I've tested. Also be interesting to see the effect of copper on the heat treat since it is a good grain modifier, at 450 your estimate of 24 may be rather conservative.
 

Brad

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I think it is quite conservative.
Now I am changing alloy in the pot and going to the 3/1 alloy for some handgun bullets. These will be air cooled initially and heat treated later. I want to see what temp it takes to get into the 18 BHn area.
The PID sure makes heat treating easier. No more playing with the temp control and waiting 15 minutes to see where the temp stabilizes. Now I just set it and leave. In a few minutes it is stable at the desired temp.
 

Brad

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Damn, that large a photo shows every little flaw.
These are cast from 50 pounds range scrap/5 pounds monotype. Air cooled. They will probably get some heat treating later.
This alloy sure casts a nice bullet easier than the range scrap all alone. Once I found the right rhythm they were just pouring out of the mould nice as could be.
 

Rick

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Yeah, a close up photo is like looking at a bullet under a microscope. Some little thing ya can't hardly see with the naked eye looks like a canyon. :D
 

Brad

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Those are about as pretty as I make. They are far nicer than the ones I shot last week, that is for certain.
 

Ian

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Purty is as purty does. Most of the ones I've used to kill critters don't look nearly that nice.
 

Brad

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The copper added alloy I heat treated to 450 F for an hour has already hardened substantially. It has been 6 hours or so and they are already reading in the 22 BHn realm.

The 5 pound monotype to 50 pound range scrap air cooled is running around 10 BHn for now. Will be interesting to see how it does when heat treated. I did some of those to 400 and 350 but not 450.
 
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Ian

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I like well filled-out
The copper added alloy I heat treated to 450 F for an hour has already hardened substantially. It has been 6 hours or so and they are already reading in the 22 BHn realm.

The 5 pound monotype to 50 pound range scrap air cooled is running around 10 BHn for now. Will be interesting to see how it does when heat treated. I did some of those to 400 and 350 but not 450.

22 BHN in six hours? Good grief! Imagine what they'll be like in six months! How do the percentages shake out in this concoction?: "I used 50 pounds range scrap, 4.5 pounds of formula 0 babbitt from Rotometals, a pound of grade 3 babbitt from Rotometals, and a single 3/4 pound bar of 30/70 body solder"
 

Brad

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Works out to roughly 3% each tin and antimony and .15-.2 % copper.
They tested 22 this morning and are still 22 now at 24 hours after quenching. Weird.

I will keep checking over the next few days to see what happens with time.