L Ross
Well-Known Member
Oh am I the first to fall for this RB? I see Bullpoo!
New Smith & Wesson Lever Action, Model 1854
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SOMEONE knows what a levergun should look like:
www.guns.com
If I needed a 30/30 levergun, I'd try this one. I'm sure it won't make every one of us completely happy, but I don't see a thing on it that rubs me the wrong way.
We all know what their pistol-caliber levers look like.
Funny thing about what WE think THEY think with regard to marketing. Smith seems to pander to what I perceive to be a larger sector of the market than what more traditional-minded buyers might like, BUT both Marlin and Rossi made SOME pistol-caliber levers (Marlin Dark, Rossi Triple Black), but Ruger chose the more traditional variant to run first and I've not seen one of those somewhat tactical Rossis in some time. Maybe they're out there, but there are a lot more of the "normal-looking" Rossis up for sale than the ones with black stocks, rails and threaded muzzles. They don't seem to last long on the sites offering them either.
I'm not really sure how any of them decide what's going to sell the best. I'm not sure I could predict that either. Roll the dice?
Rossi one ups Marlin with new R95 .30-30 Lever Gun :: Guns.com
Rossi is returning to the territory of a wood-stocked .30-30 caliber lever action brush gun with the new model R95 in both 16.5-inch carbine and 20-inch rifle variants for 2023.
www.guns.com
If I needed a 30/30 levergun, I'd try this one. I'm sure it won't make every one of us completely happy, but I don't see a thing on it that rubs me the wrong way.
We all know what their pistol-caliber levers look like.
Funny thing about what WE think THEY think with regard to marketing. Smith seems to pander to what I perceive to be a larger sector of the market than what more traditional-minded buyers might like, BUT both Marlin and Rossi made SOME pistol-caliber levers (Marlin Dark, Rossi Triple Black), but Ruger chose the more traditional variant to run first and I've not seen one of those somewhat tactical Rossis in some time. Maybe they're out there, but there are a lot more of the "normal-looking" Rossis up for sale than the ones with black stocks, rails and threaded muzzles. They don't seem to last long on the sites offering them either.
I'm not really sure how any of them decide what's going to sell the best. I'm not sure I could predict that either. Roll the dice?
Pit-Zu?
I mean, why not? There's a Pin-Zu:
Pin-Tzu Dog Breed Information and Pictures
Pin-Tzu Information and Pictures. The Pin-Tzu is not a purebred dog. It is a cross between the Miniature Pinscher and the Shih Tzu.
Michael
Active Member. Uh/What
I just took a look at the Rossi.
However.... Tacticool stuff on a lever gun, that's just........................
Wow. That's a Rossi? Dang, I'm impressed. The wood stocked versions, very nice.
Rossi one ups Marlin with new R95 .30-30 Lever Gun :: Guns.com
Rossi is returning to the territory of a wood-stocked .30-30 caliber lever action brush gun with the new model R95 in both 16.5-inch carbine and 20-inch rifle variants for 2023.www.guns.com
However.... Tacticool stuff on a lever gun, that's just........................
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CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
No doubt, sir.
That Rossi 30/30 is what a lever rifle SHOULD look like. 16" carbine and 20" rifle.......OK, if they say so. Just move those goal posts wherever it suits you.
Yeah, not sure where they came up with those lengths, but if there's a documented standard, I don't know where it is. It really wouldn't matter anyway, because people seem to want to believe their ideas are original and that all those born before them lived in darkness before their coming. No one seems to look anything up any more, even though everyone carries the Internet around in their pocket everywhere they go. Perhaps I'm too critical of lazy people.
At least for the 30/30:
24" for RIFLE;
20" for CARBINE;
16" for .... I dunno. I don't see the point, but maybe call it a "TRAPPER?"
I always figured 22" rifle barrels came about as a compromise.
RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
I have a friend who did a couple of contractor tours in Afghanistan. They tried to pawn off an M4 on him, but he held out for an M16. That was what he trained with in the 1970's. The kids all had M4's and they were "rifles" but his M16 was a "musket". They all called him "Old Man Musket".
Petrol & Powder
Well-Known Member
I'm with you.
The 16" length exists because that is as short as possible without getting into NFA territory. Not very useful in terms of muzzle velocity and sight raduis but they look cool in the eyes of the uninformed.
A 20" barrel on a rifle caliber lever gun is probably about as short as one would really want to go. That's long enough to extract most of the potential out of a rifle cartridge and still short enough to be handy.
With a handgun cartridge, the 18" may be a better lower limit for length.
Petrol & Powder
Well-Known Member
Go with what you know!
The short barrel and collapsible stock of the M4 is beneficial when operating from vehicles, and when engaged in urban warfare (particularly inside buildings and close quarters). But the M16 is really nothing more than an M4 with a longer barrel and fixed stock. If that is what you are proficient with – then that’s the better choice.
And with iron sights, as opposed to some optic, that longer sight radius is a plus.
RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
He was a retired LE detective specifically hired to track down IED makers. By 2012 they were working with DNA sample from IED debris and anything else they might have touched they could get a sample from. Never left a plastic water bottle with an Afghani, always brought them back for sampling.
Rally
NC Minnesota
I’d like to try carrying that 16” mod 95, with a 30 lb beaver in one hand, through a stand of new growth poplar, with a leather mitten on my carry hand, with my pack on.
I like the looks of the 20” better, but see the 16” as the most portable. I kinda like the “checkering” idea also, e specially when wearing a semi wet leather mitten.
I like the looks of the 20” better, but see the 16” as the most portable. I kinda like the “checkering” idea also, e specially when wearing a semi wet leather mitten.