The Snubnose J-Frame

Petrol & Powder

Well-Known Member
Ubiquitous, occasionally exalted, often maligned, sometimes misunderstood.

In 1950 Smith & Wesson introduced the Chief’s Special which later received the designation of the Model 36. What followed was an incredible run of variations of that theme. We are now 71 years into that run and it’s safe to say the S&W snubnose J-frame was a good idea.

There are few guns, other than maybe Glocks, that provoke such strong opinions. I have studied the little DA revolvers, trained with them, carried them, and worked on them. To this day, I get a little annoyed when someone lumps the type all together as, “just 5 shot snubby revolvers”. Sort of like calling Corvettes, Vegas, and Standard Cab Pickups; just 2 door Chevrolets. Technically it is a correct label, but it seems a little dismissive.

The short barreled, S&W J-frame, chambered in 38 Special has been produced in an incredible number of variations. With exposed hammers, with shrouded hammers, and with internal hammers. With carbon steel frames, Aluminum alloy frames, Stainless steel frames and even Aluminum alloy frames and titanium cylinders. They have been made different finishes. They have been made with round butt and square butt grip frames (although the square butt frames are rare).

The true strength of the Snubnose J-frame is its small size. While its size makes it difficult to master, it also makes it more likely to be present when needed.

It is a common misconception that the guns are inherently inaccurate. While it is true that the little J-frames require training and practice to master, the guns themselves are capable of fine accuracy.

The little J-frames are sometimes labeled as weak. This is also an unjust label. Even the alloy framed models are stronger than they are often given credit for. Because the little J-frames are frequently abused and neglected; well worn examples are often encountered. It’s sort of like that old hammer that rides around in the bed of a farm truck for its entire life.

When you take a moment to look at the little J-frames, you will see there was some good engineering that went into that little pocket gun. The barrel shank barely protrudes from the frame and there is no flat cut in the 6 O’-clock position like a K-frame. The forcing cone and barrel shank is well supported. The locking notches on the cylinder are located between the chambers in the thickest portion of the cylinder wall. The hammer spring is a coil on strut type that saves space and is durable. That short ejector rod is well protected, even without an ejector rod shroud. While the short ejector rod doesn’t allow for a full-length ejector stroke, it is nearly impossible to accidentally get an empty casing under the extractor (a malfunction that can occur with a full-length ejector rod and poor reloading technique).

I’ll be the first acknowledge the limitations of the snubnose J-frames, they are not always the best choice for every job. The short barrel robs some potential velocity when compared to a slightly longer barrel. The grip is optimized for concealment, not comfort or target shooting. The short sight radius is unforgiving to even slight sighting errors. The lack of weight, particularly in the alloy framed models, can result in some unpleasant practice. But when you want “Five For Sure”, the S&W Snubnose J-frame has a lot going for it.

Like any tool, it is important to select the right tool for the job.
 

Charles Graff

Moderator Emeritus
Great post, thank you. I have been fond of the various iterations of the Model 36 for well over 50 years now. I long ago narrowed my preference to the discontinued steel frame square butt version. I just fine these more "shootable" for me and yet still small and light enough. I have two now, a 2" Flat Latch and a 1957 3" version. Great smaller revolvers.
 

L Ross

Well-Known Member
Good post P&P! I really like J frames in several of their iterations. Not just the snubbies, but the .22/32 Kit Gun, and a 3" Model 60 in stainless with adj. sights. That is a great little packin' piece for those of us that don't expect to run into large bruins reeking of rotting salmon. Rather we may stumble upon a sick raccoon, a bunny for the pot, an injured animal that needs to be put down, and to just be inconspicuously armed without being overly inconvenienced.
 

Charles Graff

Moderator Emeritus
Good post P&P! I really like J frames in several of their iterations. Not just the snubbies, but the .22/32 Kit Gun, and a 3" Model 60 in stainless with adj. sights. That is a great little packin' piece for those of us that don't expect to run into large bruins reeking of rotting salmon. Rather we may stumble upon a sick raccoon, a bunny for the pot, an injured animal that needs to be put down, and to just be inconspicuously armed without being overly inconvenienced.
Back in the early 80s, I served as a Missionary in Ecuador. While my work was mostly in the high Andes, I did spend time among the tribes in the rain forest. I hunted with the men and all I had was a Colt Huntsman 22. If did the job on the small game that went into the pot. Although it was just a 22, it impressed the local folks as well as any full tactical rig could. I spent allot to time down there pondering on the perfect handgun for such a use. As soon as I returned Stateside, I bought a new S&W Stainless Steel Kit gun (4"). I still have it and still consider it the high water mark of a useful handgun.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
The 60-10 (357 w/ adjustable sights) is the most useful handgun I own, with WC's at 850 f/s. All of my Kit guns and K-22's have gone away except the 1948 vintage 4" Combat Masterpiece which shoots much better for me than the Kit guns. To each hand size there is an "A" and an "A+".
 

Petrol & Powder

Well-Known Member
The 3” & 4” barreled J-frames are highly useful when one is seeking a “packable” sidearm for small game hunting or other uses.

The snubnose versions are geared entirely towards the need for a concealable self-defense gun.

You have to pick the right tool for the job!



Charles, I had a relative that flew combat missions in Vietnam. His sidearm of choice was a .22 revolver. His thinking was if he had to punch out over unfriendly territory, he wasn’t going to stand and fight the NVA with a pistol. His goal was to evade, escape and survive. A small .22 was far more useful for killing small game and he could carry more ammo for the same amount of weight.
 

Rick H

Well-Known Member
My first off duty/backup gun was a 3" round butt Model 36 with fixed sights. I had Herret make up a set of grips for it, that were basically a checkered walnut equivalent to the stock grips with a grip adapter. I mostly carried it in a holster, shoulder rig in uniform when cool enough for a jacket, and often just slipped in the waistband off duty.
I carried it for 6 or 7 years before selling it to a fellow officer who just had to have it. It has passed through a number of hands but is still carried by an officer with my old department. It is one of the few guns I regret selling. (Actually I have sold very few...)

My Ruger LCRx3 fills that gap now, it has the advantage of adjustable sights, and it is lighter. I still miss the old Model 36.
 

Petrol & Powder

Well-Known Member
In in early 1990’s I acquired a no dash 640 (with the original 1 7/8” barrel). The idea was I would practice with that steel gun and carry its lightweight twin. That didn’t happen and I just ended up practicing with the lightweight model and sold the 640.

Well, that was a bone-headed move when the early 640 models turned out to be a bit difficult to find later on. It took me more than 20 years to replace it.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
I will start feeling better about this S&W Model 642 once I get that trigger tension anomaly figured out.

I have other I-frame and J-frame S&Ws in the safe, and they are a delight in all respects. If they have an Achilles' heel, it is their OEM grip sets. For me, those fit into the same classification as high fastballs and red-haired women--can't do a flippin' thing with any of them. Pachmayr grips grace my small-frame S&Ws, and in my large hands those grips help me stop embarrassing myself on target.

P&P is absolutely right--the J-frame 38 Specials are immensely popular. My old shop added autopistols almost 35 years ago, and at that time I thought the Chief's Specials would become "8-track tape decks", figuratively speaking. I could not have been more mistaken--J-frame 38s STILL predominate as back-up and off-duty arms for our personnel.
 
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david s

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I've four of the J-frame guns. Two stainless Kit Guns ( 22 LR and 32 magnum) and a 32 Long model 31 all with four inch barrels. During hunting season one of these is invariably in my left front pocket. I also have a pre lock 642 with the 1 7/8" barrel in 38 Special that replaces the Kit Guns when not hunting.
 
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462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Had a Model 49 of 1969 manufacture, but sold it to the CHP son of my best friend to fund some disremembered gun. Now that my county has a right-thinking sheriff who is handing out CCW licenses like Halloween candy, it's run through my thoughts several times, but not to the point of any amount of regret. Yep, it was quite a spiffy and snag-free little gun.

The gun was drooled over by a CHP friend of the CHP I sold it to, and he still carries it as a backup. Nice to know that it is so appreciated.
 

JWFilips

Well-Known Member
My wife has and shoots a very nice 50's era "nightstand queen" I got for her! It is a Model 32 S&W snubby J frame in 38 S&W caliber (not Special).
It fits her like a glove and she shoots it double action....better than I can shoot it single action! It likes a fat .362" cast bullet and is crazy accurate for a 2" barrel!
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
JW--

One of the I-frames I spoke of above is a 4" Regulation Police in 38 S&W. It and its Colt counterpart (Police Positive) in 38 S&W have "taken over" the "Kit Gun" duties hereabouts. Both are accurate as can be, The Colt needing .359 sizing to the #358477s it dotes upon while the S&W like things fatter at .361". The Colt ,does fine with the fatter slugs, so that .359" sizer might see a lot less use--in the interest of simplifying the supply chain. I have an NOE 4-cav #358477 mould that drops at .362" in pure lead and a mite fatter with richer alloys.
 

Petrol & Powder

Well-Known Member
A friend of mine has a large collection of S&W revolvers. One of those guns is a S&W model 40 (probably early 1960's vintage)
I shot it and immediately attempted to buy it. No luck - he would not part with it for any amount of money.
That gun was the best shooting and best made J-frame I've every held in my hand.
 

FrankCVA42

Active Member
Bought a model 36 close to 20 years ago. Easy to conceal, and no lumps in the jeans pocket. So used to carrying it,I sometimes I forget I have it on me. Frank
 

L Ross

Well-Known Member
I'll bet I bought 7 or 8 Model 36's ver the years at the PD, until I finally got one that shoots to the exact point of aim. The average price for a snubby was 75 bucks back in the day. I kept the one that shot to point of aim. My 642 shoots to POA. I wish I would have wagered money on a shot a buddy challenged me to with the 642. Bowling pin at 80 yards two hands and of course double action only. Having no idea where to hold I blotted it out with the front sight and squeezed and squeezed and down it went. I quit right there. Magma double ended wad cutter and 3.5 grains of BE.
 

STIHL

Well-Known Member
Very nice right up. And interesting points. I haven’t looked at them that close. But they are food for what they were made for.
 

Glaciers

Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
Well I only have one J frame 2” in 357 which I like to carry in my back pocket. So Ed Harris had a post somewhere that I read recommending a pocket holster from Mika. So I picked up one for the little Smith and one for a SP102 3” man they work great. No chance of a snag, gun is secure but clears the holster just as smooth as you please. I’ve tried Uncle Mike’s and one other brand, not happy.
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JWFilips

Well-Known Member
Well I only have one J frame 2” in 357
Well my recently passed Machinist friend , carried one of those on a leg holster! One day at the range he said "hey lets shoot it" ...It was really stoked!
Well I was stupid and said yes!
Damn nearly took my arm off! It was brutal....but I thing his load would stop a rhino!
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
357 Magnum loads in a J-frame S&W are an unnatural act. When these started showing up at quals days at work, I said "INSANITY" to myself. I have fired a few of them, and I have zero desire to own one. Even with Pachmayr grips installed, they are a handful. This, from a guy that owns and loves a Glock 29.