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California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
He's retired, thankfully, but for over 20-years my card-carrying Socialist Democrat representative wrote bills to ban circus elephants.
 
Rally

Rally

NC Minnesota
A back door attempt at giving animals the same rights and standing as humans.
If you want a real laugh, look at some of the lawsuits brought forth for Bobcats and Timberwolves in the last 20 years or so! At one time, some of the Peta crew thought it would be a good idea to drop birth control pills into a marsh to control Muskrat populations in New Jersey! Think about that one for a couple seconds! Air dropping pills, into a marsh, not to mention why would a Muskrat eat them!!!!
 
Charles Graff

Charles Graff

Moderator Emeritus
Again, folks read legal material without understanding legal terms or legal reasoning. They also stop reading before the Fat Lady sings. Here is the important part that folks seem to miss. The judge is not as crazy as you think. It is about courts having "jurisdiction" to hear matters involving animals and existing laws.

“Legal personhood is just the ability to have your interest heard and represented in court,” Berry said. “It’s about enforcing rights they already have under animal cruelty laws and other protection laws.”

You guys are really gonna miss me when I am gone. Every group of three or more old men, need at least one Law School Grad. Who is going to help you think then. Lord have mercy!!!
 
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RicinYakima

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Luckily my son is one of the good (prosecuting) lawyers. As opposed to my oldest friend, who is a public defender.
 
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Petrol & Powder

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Just a couple of points:

Federal magistrate Judge Karen Litkovitz was appointed in 2010 (Obama administration)
She is a Magistrate Judge, which in the federal court system is lowest rung on the ladder of federal courts. Magistrate courts on the federal level have jurisdiction over federal misdemeanor cases, conduct initial appearances (arraignments), bond hearings and other lower court matters. A federal District Court is the higher court over Magistrate Court. So, her ruling may not stand for long.
And since we’re talking about animals in Columbia, I’m not sure these plaintiffs won much of a victory, even on U.S. soil.

It does make for an attention grabbing headline…….which was probably the real goal.
 
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Joshua

Joshua

Taco Aficionado/Salish Sea Pirate/Part-Time Dragon
CZ93X62 said:
Perhaps--but like elk (which are quite toothsome) the drag-out after harvest can be arduous.
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They live in groups. Highly territorial, and kill 500 people a year in Africa. The drag out would be quite dangerous!

These Hippos should be eradicated immediately. They don’t belong there.
 
fiver

fiver

Well-Known Member
I'd give it a shot too as long as it isn't some giant beach master that's been eating dead animals for the last week.
 
Bret4207

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Charles Graff said:
Again, folks read legal material without understanding legal terms or legal reasoning. They also stop reading before the Fat Lady sings. Here is the important part that folks seem to miss. The judge is not as crazy as you think. It is about courts having "jurisdiction" to hear matters involving animals and existing laws.

“Legal personhood is just the ability to have your interest heard and represented in court,” Berry said. “It’s about enforcing rights they already have under animal cruelty laws and other protection laws.”

You guys are really gonna miss me when I am gone. Every group of three or more old men, need at least one Law School Grad. Who is going to help you think then. Lord have mercy!!!
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While technically you may be entirely correct, it seems to me that animals should remain "animals" or "property" and, not "people". If the issue is abuse, that doesn't seem to be anything not covered under ANIMAL abuse laws. If the issue is who gets the ANIMALS, that makes them property as they are not sentient beings, eg- people. I've made animal abuse arrests and never saw any language in the NYS Penal Law or in the NYS Criminal Procedure Law that indicated that animals needed to be declared PEOPLE to prosecute PEOPLE for their abuse. But, I'm not a lawyer, my mind doesn't work that way- thankfully! I find reality confusing enough.

I would alter your declaration that every group of 3 or more old men need at least one LS grad. It's 99.9% of the lawyers that give the rest a bad name. If the LS grad was a Scalia, fine. Chances are the vast majority of us would end up with Bill Clinton or Michael Avanti!
 
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Charles Graff

Charles Graff

Moderator Emeritus
Bret4207 said:
While technically you may be entirely correct, it seems to me that animals should remain "animals" or "property" and, not "people". If the issue is abuse, that doesn't seem to be anything not covered under ANIMAL abuse laws. If the issue is who gets the ANIMALS, that makes them property as they are not sentient beings, eg- people. I've made animal abuse arrests and never saw any language in the NYS Penal Law or in the NYS Criminal Procedure Law that indicated that animals needed to be declared PEOPLE to prosecute PEOPLE for their abuse. But, I'm not a lawyer, my mind doesn't work that way- thankfully! I find reality confusing enough.

I would alter your declaration that every group of 3 or more old men need at least one LS grad. It's 99.9% of the lawyers that give the rest a bad name. If the LS grad was a Scalia, fine. Chances are the vast majority of us would end up with Bill Clinton or Michael Avanti!
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In the case at hand, the court has no jurisdiction on humans in Columbia. Not much over Columbian Hippos either, but that is a puzzle to me, but I will withhold comment until I actually have all the facts and law before me. My brain is in my head and not my "guts".

I do have your comments about lawyers before me. I find it more than a little odd that you feel comfortable condemning almost a whole class of professional people. I do recall how spun up you were, when folks did the same to LEOs. You might recall, I stood with you against the ignorance prejudices some have against LEOs. I come from a multi-generational family of lawyers and they are all fine moral and ethical Christian people. I also know many, many lawyers who are the same. I count many of them among my friends as are many LEO. I don't have friends that are low lives of whatever profession. You and I know there are some low life LEOs and I know there are some low life lawyers, but these do not represent the majority. I am quite surprise at your blanket prejudice against lawyers, considering your anger at folks who did the same with LEOs. I thought we were supposed to learn from our life experiences and not just dig a fox hold and start lobbing grenades at others we do not know. I am not offended by your comments about lawyers, but I am disappointed.

I might ad that Bill Clinton was disbarred because of his Perjury Conviction and Avanatti was also disbarred because of his convictions for Extortion. The latter drew 2 1/2 years in the Grey Bar Hotel. The Bar Association does have a self flushing feature to it.
 
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358156 hp

358156 hp

At large, whereabouts unknown.
There's so much potential innuendo here, that I'll just leave you with this. I hate being an adult some days.
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Charles Graff

Charles Graff

Moderator Emeritus
Dear Moderators: I suggest this thread be transferred to the PIT for it has nothing to do with the subject matter of this board and it is taking a political bent. Oh, that's right, we don't have a PIT because this is the kind of content we don't want here.

Do as you choose, but this thread is starting to feel and smell very PIT-like to me.
 
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