What about the .35-30 (or .35-.30-30) ???
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Eutectic
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A lifetime supply of .30-30 cases is a main reason of consideration for me.
Midway has Redding dies.... Real beauties! Special order at only $199.00 a set! Chris's list above may be the way to go!
I've attached a link to another discussion on the .35/.30-30. I was particularly tickled by Mike Armstrong's post. Very few of us still kickin' have dealt with Ward Koozer face to face for a re-bore! I still have a '94 in .38-55 that Ward re-bored...
I had an uncle in Roseburg, OR back then (early 60's) and we drove up to Ward Koozer's place with my shot out .25-35 '94 barrel. We found the place finally and knocked on the door. No answer..... I knocked harder. "What do yah want?" Roared from a barn-like building out back! I was almost afraid to walk back..... Koozer worked back there in a shop cluttered not unlike Harry Pope's! Ward Koozer was in a wheelchair (from Polio I think) But he was a gruff genuine old guy. I liked him! He did a beautiful job on that old nickel steel barrel. Nickel steel that most re-borers shy from like the plague! Just need to know how to sharpen your tools for it!
In a lot of ways Ward Koozer and JES are just alike.... Right down to being in Oregon!
http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewtopic.php?t=68640
Pete
Midway has Redding dies.... Real beauties! Special order at only $199.00 a set! Chris's list above may be the way to go!
I've attached a link to another discussion on the .35/.30-30. I was particularly tickled by Mike Armstrong's post. Very few of us still kickin' have dealt with Ward Koozer face to face for a re-bore! I still have a '94 in .38-55 that Ward re-bored...
I had an uncle in Roseburg, OR back then (early 60's) and we drove up to Ward Koozer's place with my shot out .25-35 '94 barrel. We found the place finally and knocked on the door. No answer..... I knocked harder. "What do yah want?" Roared from a barn-like building out back! I was almost afraid to walk back..... Koozer worked back there in a shop cluttered not unlike Harry Pope's! Ward Koozer was in a wheelchair (from Polio I think) But he was a gruff genuine old guy. I liked him! He did a beautiful job on that old nickel steel barrel. Nickel steel that most re-borers shy from like the plague! Just need to know how to sharpen your tools for it!
In a lot of ways Ward Koozer and JES are just alike.... Right down to being in Oregon!
http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewtopic.php?t=68640
Pete
Chris
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Switching gears slightly to a topic I don't know enough about: barrel liners vs. reboring nickel steel barrels.
Given an old Winchester 55, what are the pros/cons of a .35 barrel liner? Cost comparison, assuming it can even be done? My inclination is a rebore, but as Pete mentioned it is known that folks hate nickel steel.
I would try to have a barrel rebored FIRST, and if you can't find someone willing to rebore, then rebarrel. Relining a barrel requires boring the barrel bigger to insert the liner, and this can leave the barrel shank thin and weak. "Thick wall" 30cal liners are typically 1/2" OD, so 35cal liners will be larger. Conversely, reboring to even 38-55 only takes the bore out to .368-.370". The smallish barrel shanks on lever actions is their weak point, so can be a problem.
Eutectic
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300BLK makes good points on the larger caliber liner diameter for a reline in an already thin barrel contour........O.D. of liner vs. O.D. of original barrel may not be doable. I don't think there is enough 'meat' to do a good job or even a safe job. A barrel re-liner could give you his thoughts on it.... Chris.... I'd contact JES on re-boring your Model 55 barrel even if it's Nickel Steel. I sure he's tried it; maybe even does them all the time! JES is good! Lots of those old nickel steel barrels around shot-out for business. Let us know what he says please.... I've emailed JES as well for contact. Think his email was on the website?
Pete
Pete
Eutectic
Active Member
According to the attached thread John Taylor can re-line a '94 to a .35-.30-30! I wonder if that was an octagon barrel though?? Seems things are too thin for a Model 55 barrel but one could contact John Taylor and see???
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/archive/index.php/t-328185.html
Pete
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/archive/index.php/t-328185.html
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freebullet
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I have a 760 pump in 270. It was my grandads last new rifle. My uncle was loading for it for my fathers varmint hunting. That uncle wasnt a great loader with his dippers. The throat is eroded bad, 8-10" best at 200 yards bad.
Thinking about having something done to return it to serviceable condition. One Smith I spoke with advised having it rebored to 35 rem. Not sure what to do with it. Don't like unusable stuff taking up space. Can't get rid of it, only gun of his I have. I'm very well supported with 270 components but, a rebore wouldn't cost me losing the original barrel. Thoughts?
Thinking about having something done to return it to serviceable condition. One Smith I spoke with advised having it rebored to 35 rem. Not sure what to do with it. Don't like unusable stuff taking up space. Can't get rid of it, only gun of his I have. I'm very well supported with 270 components but, a rebore wouldn't cost me losing the original barrel. Thoughts?
Chris
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Thanks Pete and 300 BLK. Pete, I really need to make those phone calls as you suggest (probably be a week or two until things settle down here... new grandchild on the way plus work) and when I do I will share it here.
My preference is to have the nickel steel barrel rebored but we'll see what is feasible.
In the meantime I had the crazy thought to skip the .35-30 idea and go to .38-55, but probably won't as I am illogically fond of .35 calibers not to mention the .30/30 case is just made for cast bullets with that long neck. Unless someone can talk me into the .38/55, that is.
Anyway, back to the topic: seems to me a rebore is the best/easiest way to preserve rifles we are attached to. The exterior appearance is what we notice the most, and getting those rifles that our relatives hunted with back into usefulness has a lot of value. Dad's Model 55, shot out by honest use, will be 100 years old in 4 years. I want to have my grandson hunt with it.
Ian
Notorious member
Why not '06? Check the chamber first to make certain it's straight....after you get the barrel out of the receiver, of course!
I'm in a similar situation with a bad rifle I'm happy to have due to sentiment, also a .270, but the barrel is lunched due to being a pencil featherweight jobbie which developed a wicked hook. Fewer than 300 rounds through it, most of which I put through it myself. At some point a person can either choose to hang something on the wall or go all out to fix it correctly, but I know how tough it is sometimes to decide how much of the sentimental value would be lost in changing major parts or even caliber. I really want a .35 Whelen and the thing is no good for even deer beyond 50 yards the way it is, but the barrel will have to be replaced. One day I'll get off the fence....
35 Remington WON'T work as the shoulder is too far forward on the 270 case. 30-06 or 35 Whelen would work, but the Whelen won't be comfortable to shoot in a 760.
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Not fer nuthin' guys, but a replacement barrel is another option. Ebay and other auction sites have scads of take off barrels, even for the old ones. Worth a look.
Chris- just saw a frog float by in a life jacket. Over 6" on 10 hours a couple days back! Made 12 round bales so far, 12!, and it's practically August!
Chris- just saw a frog float by in a life jacket. Over 6" on 10 hours a couple days back! Made 12 round bales so far, 12!, and it's practically August!
I had a 30-30 rebored to 38-55 and love it. Its a Savage 1899A short rifle, aka saddle gun circa 1919, so has a beefier barrel than that Winchester 55. 38-55s are easy to load and dies are inexpensive. Buy a 375449 and call it good.
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freebullet
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Hadn't thought of 06. I meant whelen, my fingers got ahead of my brain on 35rem. No experience with the rem or whelen, wouldn't know what to expect.
I did the trigger on it years ago for dad & it would hold 4.5" @200yd which, was usable. Wife shot her first 2 bucks with it before it turned scatter gun on me. This one was made between 57-59.
Biggest fear would be having it lost in the mail or something. Even if well insured I wouldn't sleep much till it was returned. Decisions decisions. Even with the throat up in there 3/4" or more past where it should be at least I have it.
I did the trigger on it years ago for dad & it would hold 4.5" @200yd which, was usable. Wife shot her first 2 bucks with it before it turned scatter gun on me. This one was made between 57-59.
Biggest fear would be having it lost in the mail or something. Even if well insured I wouldn't sleep much till it was returned. Decisions decisions. Even with the throat up in there 3/4" or more past where it should be at least I have it.
Ian
Notorious member
Before you go changing the rifle, you might try a fat 6.5mm mould that drops at least .271" and wet-patch them up to .280" or whatever the throat will take, and launch them full-tilt with WW780 Supreme or Hybrid 100V and just enough granulated psb to hold the powder in place. 150 grain bullet at about 2750 fps will get it it done and I've shot some really good groups. Use BW/Vaseline lube and post-size the patched bullet for a snug slip fit in the throat. 100% cotton Vellum paper will hold the 9-twist rifling better than softer papers.
Chris
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Bret, I saw that storm on the weather radar and thought of you... that was bad weather! We are record wet here -- not as wet as you though -- according to the records and old guys. Personally I have never seen summer long mud like this. We will make a crop of potatoes, but barely and am concerned about late blight so have accelerated the spray schedule. Still can't even drive the tractor on the lower parts of the fields. I have green frogs living in puddles between the rows, no kidding! We can survive this but it is not easy.
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I don't think this is anything truly record breaking, just as last years dry spell wasn't. But it surely reminds you that puny old mankind is at the mercy of water and sunshine! Best wishes on the upcoming grandchild Chris, to C too. And please pass along the same wishes to V and her hubby! (Edited that since I'm not sure how sensitive you are to family names appearing here.)
Fiver, Oats here didn't get put in until late June in some cases! This is one of those years that Speltz really pays off being an over wintering grain. Corn in some places is 3-4" high and 2 months late going in. Tough year.
Back on topic.........
Fiver, Oats here didn't get put in until late June in some cases! This is one of those years that Speltz really pays off being an over wintering grain. Corn in some places is 3-4" high and 2 months late going in. Tough year.
Back on topic.........
Brother_Love
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Just for grins, loaded a few dummy rounds;
Sized neck in 358W die
Flared case with 35 exp die
Seated bullet with 358 W die
Crimped with Lee FCD
I could FL size with a 375W die if need be.
May have to have one!
Sized neck in 358W die
Flared case with 35 exp die
Seated bullet with 358 W die
Crimped with Lee FCD
I could FL size with a 375W die if need be.
May have to have one!
