What casts bullets did you use RELOADING this week?

[RicinYakima]

Thought I'd start a new thread about reloading cast bullet projects.

Yesterday I started reloading 36 old Western balloon head 32 Long cases for the Colt New Police (black powder model). Since going old timey, the Belding and Mull press was taken down from the shelf and put to work.

Cases will hold a full 13 grains of FFF black powder, with grease cookie, and 1950's vintage Federal 100 primers. Bullet was the NOE copy of the Ideal 313492 WC, 88 grains. The mold is a four cavity and makes more bullets than the SAECO #325 or RCBS 98 grain SWC, my other common 32 bullets. Alloy is WW +2% tin.

 

[shuz]

This week I'll be loading a couple hundred Saeco 25-100's, powder coated, for my Savage model 16 bolt rifle.

 

[Snakeoil]

terday I started reloading 36 old Western balloon head 32 Long cases for the Colt New Police (black powder model).

Rick, I'm curious. How do you know that the New Police you have is a BP model. I searched the web about the .32 S&W Long caliber as well as the New Police revolver and I could not find a single mention of their being a BP version or that the .32 S&W Long (Colt called it .32 New Police) ever being made, It does say that it was based upon the .32 S&W which was a BP cartridge. My Cartridges of the World is at home so I can't look it up. The pistol was made starting in 1896, so within the timeframe for a smokeless cartridge. Another look shows that the SAA was certified for smokeless powder in 1900.

In 1896, at serial number 164,100, a spring-loaded base pin latch replaced the cylinder pin retaining screw and by 1900, at serial number 192,000, the Colt Single Action was certified for use with smokeless powder.

 

[Glaciers]

I believe the 32 Colt predated the S&W long by a few years and the Colt, once again, I believe was BP, and the 32 S&W long was smokeless although I sure it was probably also offered in BP.
Anyway Ric I’m sure will clear that up, I got on to say that I think this thread combines what we are supposed to be doing.
I’m hoping to contribute to this one. Well I’m catching up on life’s projects so I have my fingers crossed.
Could be a good thread.

 

[hporter]

Wow- I was just out in the shop looking for bullets from my NOE 313492 mold to load some rounds to put through this gem I picked up a couple months ago....

 

[RicinYakima]

Rick, I'm curious. How do you know that the New Police you have is a BP model. I searched the web about the .32 S&W Long caliber as well as the New Police revolver and I could not find a single mention of their being a BP version or that the .32 S&W Long (Colt called it .32 New Police) ever being made, It does say that it was based upon the .32 S&W which was a BP cartridge. My Cartridges of the World is at home so I can't look it up. The pistol was made starting in 1896, so within the timeframe for a smokeless cartridge. Another look shows that the SAA was certified for smokeless powder in 1900.

In 1896, at serial number 164,100, a spring-loaded base pin latch replaced the cylinder pin retaining screw and by 1900, at serial number 192,000, the Colt Single Action was certified for use with smokeless powder.

Colt revolvers of the 1890's with a fixed firing pin, not a firing pin that will move up and down, were made for black powder.

The first Model New Police, like this one, is not the same as the 1900 and later made Police Positive. During its four year run, it had no positive lock on the hammer, you drop it and it goes bang. These were made in both the 32 Colt New Police and 32 Colt Long for black powder loadings. I believe one of the reasons Colt designed the Police Positive is that the 32 S&W Long was being loaded with smokeless by 1900.

There is very little research on these little revolvers other than the 1940 Colt Revolver book. And they give no reason why it was dropped so soon. FWIW, The Police Positive is about 10% bigger in every dimension and not a single part from the Police Positive will fit in the New Police.

 

[Snakeoil]

Thanks Rick. The info I found said the New Police was made for 11 years (til 1907). Hence my curiosity.

 

[RicinYakima]

I don’t know that they were made, or they couldn’t sell them out until then. Even though Teddy bought them for NYPD, they were unsafe and under powered.

The 1900 .38 New Police outsold the .32 over ten times. When the New Police Special was made, the short frames were left behind. Out here in the West, you find more 32WCF than 32 New police.

 

[Snakeoil]

Well if they were BP only, it would make sense that the new smokeless revolver would make them obsolete for the most part, not unlike the SAA which became a clunker when the good DA revolvers came out.

 

[popper]

145 PB BLL with wsf for BO.

 

[Snakeoil]

145 PB BLL with wsf for BO

145 gr Plain Base, Ben's Liquid Lube with Winchester Super Field for BO???

We need a glossary or code book for this site.

 

[MW65]

Loaded up some 30-06 for some old soldiers... M1917 & a Rem 03... 2400 powder with 311291.

 

[Maven]

Last week I replenished my supply of ~158gr. Lee TL-SWC cast bullets, which I size to .358" for my S & W Mod. 10 revolver and .359" for my Ruger .357Mag. Blackhawk. Yesterday, I cast a small pile of C.E. Harris designed ~160gr. SP's for my SKS (NOE mould). I sized them to .3155" tumble lubed them a few minutes ago. Ditto an even larger pile of the Lee 30-150-TL's (group buy long ago "over there"). Most of those will be fired as cast from my .30-06, but some will be reformed in my Hanned Die. The latter are accurate enough to make the extra sizing step worth it.

 

[JonB]

145 gr Plain Base, Ben's Liquid Lube with Winchester Super Field for BO???

We need a glossary or code book for this site.

they look like 300 Black Out

 

[JonB]

Last week I replenished my supply of ~158gr. Lee TL-SWC cast bullets, which I size to .358" for my S & W Mod. 10 revolver and .359" for my Ruger .357Mag. Blackhawk. Yesterday, I cast a small pile of C.E. Harris designed ~160gr. SP's for my SKS (NOE mould). I sized them to .3155" tumble lubed them a few minutes ago. Ditto an even larger pile of the Lee 30-150-TL's (group buy long ago "over there"). Most of those will be fired as cast from my .30-06, but some will be reformed in my Hanned Die. The latter are accurate enough to make the extra sizing step worth it.

Did you ever see my post about this second hand unmarked 6 cav plain base mold I bought a year or so ago?
The seller (over there) wasn't sure exactly of it's origin and/or details, he just sold it cheap.
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ANYWAY, is it the same as your GB Lee 30-150 ???
This mold drops a 140gr bullet .313 on base and TL area is .3105
-that is without the Beagle tape that the previous owner had on it...I guess he was going for a fatter bullet?

Gas Checked bullet is Lee CTL312-160-R, just for comparison.

 

[Maven]

Jon, Yes I saw the post "over there," but to answer the second question, the top bullet and mould are exactly the same as mine. It casts quite well once the melt temp. is above 800 deg. and since it's a TL CB, I generally do just that and shoot them as cast because I haven't found that conventional sizing does much to improve accuracy. Btw, my load for that CB is 8.7gr. Unique or 9.5gr. Blue Dot, i.e., when I can get either. I also seat them so that all those sub-diameter rings are covered by the case mouth.

P.S. I'm happy to see that yours also casts ~140gr. even though it's advertised as 150.

 

[popper]

Winchester Super Field for BO??? Yup. Got a pound I was going to use for 40 smith&wesson, decided to try it for near sub sonic Black Out loads. See what I did there? Just opened it, under the lid was kinda brownish, hope it's OK. Smells OK. To shoot in CVA so I can see that bullet isn't stuck in bore.

 

[JonB]

Maven,
Thanks ...and if we had this same conversation 18 months ago, then I'll say, thanks again, LOL.

 

[fiver]

well if you count shucking more shells into a loading gate as re-loading, then i'll go with 429667's.
there is some mighty dead rocks and tiny round [biodegradable] chunks of paper laying around the west desert to show for my efforts.

 

[Winelover]

Fiver, I have that mould. Lyman lists it as 240 grain. Mine come out close to 250 grains, conventionally lubed, with WW alloy. I purchased it for the Marlin but largest I can get it to drop at is .431 diameter..............so I relegated it for 44SPL in revolvers.