Which one do you prefer?
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RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
I don't always agree with that. I have a Colt Three Fifty Seven that leads with anything other than 358156 with gas checks at magnum velocities. I know it is because of the cylinder/throat/barrel mismatch, but it is a fact of life.
waco
Springfield, Oregon
Glad I have not run into that problem. I avoid GC's at all costs. Pun intended...
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
'Ditto' to Dale's statement--in 38 Special most of my cast bullet shooting in 38 Special got done with Lyman #358477 before 2003. I found my edition of #358429 at that time, and it splits time with '477'. All three of these designs are more accurate in my revolvers than I can exploit on target--1.75" to 2.00" at 25 yards is the best I can do firing double action or with hammer cocked.
My 358156 casts really big,,.360,maybe .361,,as a result,the lube groove gets smooched down alot.
Even though it carries very littlelube,it seems to be enough,because it shoots well,and even 2200 in a 350legend ar,,,they never left any leading,
My question is,,are all 156,s. Built with tiny lube groove?the 429,carries 3 times more,,and just looks better.
RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
Ric--can you advise a rough timeframe when Ray Thompson and Lyman began distributing #358156 and #429244? Also, same question regarding the Thompson-esque Lyman #452490 for 45 Colt?
None of these three bullets leaded my barrels, and still don't. I'm sure the gas checks have much to say in that regard, but sizing matters too. Another variable is that very early in my casting hobby I started using Javelina bullet lube (made locally in San Bernardino, CA) and sold at my Lyman dealer (Berman & Sons) in that same town. Javelina is 50/50 Alox/BW, and the LSS version of that stuff still gets most of my pistol work. FWIW, the Africanized honey bees that reside in our eastern deserts get PISSED OFF when you shoot it near their hives. Ask me how I know this.
None of these three bullets leaded my barrels, and still don't. I'm sure the gas checks have much to say in that regard, but sizing matters too. Another variable is that very early in my casting hobby I started using Javelina bullet lube (made locally in San Bernardino, CA) and sold at my Lyman dealer (Berman & Sons) in that same town. Javelina is 50/50 Alox/BW, and the LSS version of that stuff still gets most of my pistol work. FWIW, the Africanized honey bees that reside in our eastern deserts get PISSED OFF when you shoot it near their hives. Ask me how I know this.
JonB
Halcyon member
Funny coincidence.
Today, on daytime TV, I seen a cook use bee wrapping paper (and selling it), an eco-friendly food wrap.
First thing I thought about is when I'm cooking bees wax based bullet lube in my back yard, and fighting Bees and Hornets. I could imagine unwrapping that nice smelling bee wrap paper, from around some cold fried chicken, for a country picnic with the girlfriend.
https://www.amazon.com/Bees-Wrap-Re...-2-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1
Today, on daytime TV, I seen a cook use bee wrapping paper (and selling it), an eco-friendly food wrap.
First thing I thought about is when I'm cooking bees wax based bullet lube in my back yard, and fighting Bees and Hornets. I could imagine unwrapping that nice smelling bee wrap paper, from around some cold fried chicken, for a country picnic with the girlfriend.
https://www.amazon.com/Bees-Wrap-Re...-2-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1
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RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
The original Ideal 358156 was a 38 Colt (Long) that only lasted a couple of years. Lyman #358156 was originally made for Thompson's private sales, but was adopted by Lyman in the early 1950's.
The Ideal number 429244 is also a recycled number from the 1800's. The Lyman original # 431244 is post #358156, so maybe around the advent of the 44 Magnum?
None of my references show a #454490. However they list a #452490 from 1951 through at least 1959 as a 235 grains gas check bullet.
FWIW
Rick H
Well-Known Member
I DON'T have experience with Africanized honey bees, but more than a few with those damned white faced hornets. Picturing in my mind the mayhem on the firing line.
L Ross
Well-Known Member
I rarely see the 429215 getting any love. I know I "discovered" this Thompson designed bullet purely by accident, by virtue of it being the only .44 mould available at the Sporting Goods store I patronized. Back then gas checks were cheap so not much of a factor. I was young and dumb and thought all bullets needed them. Our Department's H&G double ended wad cutter 10 cavity gang moulded bullets leaded up our Model 15s something fierce. I attributed that to a lack of a gas check. What'd I know?
Anyway, you cannot keep a 215 in a deer's body. They work splendidly in a .44-40 carbine also, are wonderfully accurate, and kick less in a handgun. I almost wish I had a .44 check maker, but I just don't shoot that many anymore.
Cadillac Jeff
Well-Known Member
My 429415 is also a hp ,an old ideal/ lyman is by far my most favorite 44 mold & bullet. Yes gas check is an extra step....I should try them without sometime, but I did buy up preretirement.
Wow now that is a derail.
I like my 358349 , the 339 in a hp it is a round lube grove tho....the shame...
Wow now that is a derail.
I like my 358349 , the 339 in a hp it is a round lube grove tho....the shame...