I don't always agree with that. I have a Colt Three Fifty Seven that leads with anything other than 358156 with gas checks at magnum velocities. I know it is because of the cylinder/throat/barrel mismatch, but it is a fact of life.I’ll agree with John. Accurate 36-158-V for both lever guns and revolvers. If choosing between the two that the OP mentioned, 358429. Life is too short to monkey around with gas checks in a revolver.
Glad I have not run into that problem. I avoid GC's at all costs. Pun intended...I don't always agree with that. I have a Colt Three Fifty Seven that leads with anything other than 358156 with gas checks at magnum velocities. I know it is because of the cylinder/throat/barrel mismatch, but it is a fact of life.
My 358156 casts really big,,.360,maybe .361,,as a result,the lube groove gets smooched down alot.357s have always leaded much easier than 44s for example. My guess is that the older guns with more rounds through them are a bit looser than some of the bigger stuff because they're used more.
At least 156 dont throw lube,all over my chronograph!Yes, my x156 has a tiny lube groove, I suspect they all do.
I would guess that when the 429 was thought up in the '30s lube wasn't as good as it was later.
Rex
When Keith was designing bullets he used Ideal bullet lube; sheep tallow and beeswax. Thompson's design was using stuff developed in WW2, much better.Yes, my x156 has a tiny lube groove, I suspect they all do.
I would guess that when the 429 was thought up in the '30s lube wasn't as good as it was later.
Rex
The original Ideal 358156 was a 38 Colt (Long) that only lasted a couple of years. Lyman #358156 was originally made for Thompson's private sales, but was adopted by Lyman in the early 1950's.Ric--can you advise a rough timeframe when Ray Thompson and Lyman began distributing #358156 and #429244? Also, same question regarding the Thompson-esque Lyman #452490 for 45 Colt?
Africanized honey bees that reside in our eastern deserts get PISSED OFF when you shoot it near their hives. Ask me how I know this.
I rarely see the 429215 getting any love. I know I "discovered" this Thompson designed bullet purely by accident, by virtue of it being the only .44 mould available at the Sporting Goods store I patronized. Back then gas checks were cheap so not much of a factor. I was young and dumb and thought all bullets needed them. Our Department's H&G double ended wad cutter 10 cavity gang moulded bullets leaded up our Model 15s something fierce. I attributed that to a lack of a gas check. What'd I know?Ric--can you advise a rough timeframe when Ray Thompson and Lyman began distributing #358156 and #429244? Also, same question regarding the Thompson-esque Lyman #452490 for 45 Colt?
None of these three bullets leaded my barrels, and still don't. I'm sure the gas checks have much to say in that regard, but sizing matters too. Another variable is that very early in my casting hobby I started using Javelina bullet lube (made locally in San Bernardino, CA) and sold at my Lyman dealer (Berman & Sons) in that same town. Javelina is 50/50 Alox/BW, and the LSS version of that stuff still gets most of my pistol work. FWIW, the Africanized honey bees that reside in our eastern deserts get PISSED OFF when you shoot it near their hives. Ask me how I know this.