I have got to get back around to this finally got all my brass primed up and read to load last week, ive been working on my 44 mag and a hunting load in a JHP. going to bump the charge up and see if I can stay subsonic and find good accuracy with the 170 and no GC. shouldnt be an issue, i may crank them on up to the 1400FPS range and see what happens, may actually be surprised.