. 30-30 breakthrough

Thumbcocker

Active Member
After much testing, casting, and sobbing we have success. I pulled one. With a few ranging shots I was able to break a clay bird on the 200 yard berm. Happy! Happy!

165 grain Ranch Dog .311. ACWW. Ben's red. 28.0 of 3031.

Rifle was $425 and scope was $100. Life is good.
 

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Ian

Notorious member
I do believe you got it nailed. Now to go check it again for first shot POI and go hunting!
 

Cadillac Jeff

Well-Known Member
VERY GOOD !
like Ian said----cold first shot & look out deer-hog?? what ever!!
& cheep too
love my marlin 336--in 35 rem
 

Spindrift

Well-Known Member
Looks fine!
I have the NOE 311-166, the stepped-nose RD bullet with TL grooves. It shoots very well in my Marlin with micro groove barrel, sized .311.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Very nice! Success always feels good, eh?!!

Have you de-fouled the barrel on the older one? Jacket fouling has very often been the main culprit in my rifles that don't shoot cast. Some don't seem to care if they shoot back and forth between the 2, others demand a pristine barrel devoid of any copper wash.

Just a thought.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
Dittoes to what P&P said.

The 30/30 WCF is a GREAT cast bullet caliber. It was my first rifle to try castings in, and was immediately successful. My 30/30s have consistently shot castings with same or better accuracy than redcoats yield, and run almost as fast as those same jacketed pretenders.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
I have the final iteration of that mould and have had excellent results at 50 yards, at about 1200 fps. I've been wanting to "stoke it" with some rifle powder and get it up to factory jacketed ballistics to flatten trajectory, but have not had the chance. This is encouraging to see.

I KNOW I could head-shoot a squirrel with this bullet at 50 yards, but Id like to also know I could bust a coyote or deer at 200 if I needed to.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I have the final iteration of that mould and have had excellent results at 50 yards, at about 1200 fps. I've been wanting to "stoke it" with some rifle powder and get it up to factory jacketed ballistics to flatten trajectory, but have not had the chance. This is encouraging to see.

I KNOW I could head-shoot a squirrel with this bullet at 50 yards, but Id like to also know I could bust a coyote or deer at 200 if I needed to.
30 gr 3031 in the 30-30 is pretty near factory speeds in some rifles. Can't recall if that's with 150's or 170's, but you aren't far off from there.
 

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
I have that mold here too its a goodun! I also picked up a Arsenal 30-170 Ranch Dog mold. That one also shoots great. I like 4198 but 30/31 is a good powder W/O a doubt.

CW
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
My 30-30 loads with the 165 RD mould were mostly 16.5 gr of 2400. Shot pretty well but was bad in elevation at longer ranges due to powder position sensitivity.
Out to 100 it was never a real issue,
 

L Ross

Well-Known Member
My buddy Big Goose loads 30.0 grains of 3031 under the Hornady 170 for his 94 year old Mother to kill deer with in far northern Minnesota. I saw her kill a cow bison when she was 85 with her Marlin and that load. One shot, in the fog at 35 yards facing dead on to her. She shot it through the "beard" and into the heart and the bullet made it just through the diaphragm.

The same load would also atomize sap suckers out of her kitchen window when she could still see the sights on her long tom Model 93. She feels like she is cheating using a scope on a 336.
 

Charles Graff

Moderator Emeritus
Years ago Jack O'Connor wrote that 31.5 grains of 3031 under a 170 grain jacketed bullet was max for the 30-30. That load flattens the snot out or primers as does 31 grains. I have always considered 30 grains to be my max.

Addendum: A look back at my records tells me that in 2000, SAEC0 325 over 28.5 grains of 3031 fired by a Remington 9.5 primer gave me consistent 1.5" one hundred yard groups from my Marlin 336A ( a half mag, rifle version) with a Weaver K 2.5 scope. Sizing was .311.

SAECO 325 is a fat version of their 170 grain 30-30 bullet, sold as a 303 Brit bullet, but just right in the nose for the Marlin MG. It was the first real success I had with cast in the Marlin MG barrels.

I think this was before Ranch Dog came out with his bullets for the big groove Marlin MG rifles. It was after this that I speced the 311407 Mod which has also proved to be a good MG 30 cal bullet.

The Micro Groove barrels are problem children due to their size but with the proper bullet they will do quite well with cast bullets.

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Don't accept no for an answer from that other Marlin re cast bullets. It may be metal fouling, but most likely is bore size. The Marlins are all over the map in that regard. I have a 1960 Texan that runs .310 (groove) and .305 (lands) both way large and could not find any bullet that would work. I finally had Mountain Molds make me one with a tapered nose and a .313 body. It shoots to perfection, but no off the shelf mold would work. That bullet also won't chamber in any other 30 cal rifle I own.

It is war and don't let that rifle win!!!!

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As reducing the trigger pull a smidge, get some 1600 grit emery paper from where auto body and paint supplies are sold. Using some needle files to back up the paper, polish the hammer notch and sear plus any other surfaces that show drag. That will take care of the problem. without removing any metal or changing any angles.

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And another thing. The Marlin 30-30s have a 1-10 twist whereas the Winchester and Savage has 1-12 twist. This makes the Marlin just a smidge more cast bullet ornery and the longer heavier designs are the way to go as long as they will work through the magazine and chamber with no issues.

Oh yes, I have a Japchester 1885 Traditional Hunter in 30-30. It has a 26" half round/octogen barrel, a tang sight and a very good trigger. It also has a 1-12 barrel. To round out the fleet, there in a Winchester 94 carbine and a Savage bolt both in 30-30. Again they have 1-12 twist barrels.

My first centerfire rifle in 1956 was a 1911 vintage Winchester 94 takedown rifle in 30 WCF. It got me started in handloading and centerfire rifle shooting. It was the best teacher I ever had.
 
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Rick H

Well-Known Member
Years ago Jack O'Connor wrote that 31.5 grains of 3031 under a 170 grain jacketed bullet was max for the 30-30. That load flattens the snot out or primers as does 31 grains. I have always considered 30 grains to be my max.
I read an article about Jack O'Connor's powder scale being off. Seems it read one or two grains heavier than was in the pan. His pet 270 Win load was over max too.

"The rest of the story is this: after O'Connor's death a well-known gun writer obtained his reloading equipment, apparently from the estate. When he started using the equipment, he found that Jack's powder scale read 1-2 grains higher than the actual powder weight."

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