348 Winchester molds

Islanderflyer

New Member
Looking to getting into cast boolits for my Browning 71, I am not finding a lot of options for molds. It looks like my best option may be to have Accurate make me one. But which mold? They have five specific for the 348. My other option is to maybe find one on an auction site but I hate spending any money there. Have had bad buying experiences there in the past. So, if a guy wants to start casting for the 348 where should he start?
 

CZ93X62

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Ah, the 348 Winchester. Gator checks show on his site as being available; Hornady checks went out of production a few years ago. I like Accurate Molds very much--I would check with Tom at Accurate and assure that his moulds' GC shanks fit Gator checks properly.

I fought this battle with my 9.3 x 62 mould choices, some makers use 35 caliber checks and some use 375 caliber checks, and now there is a proprietary 9.3mm check out there as well. My first 9.3mm mould came from Mountain Molds, and his shanks are sized to fit 375 caliber checks. By annealing the 375 Hornady checks, I was able to size them down to the .367" size appropriate for the rifle's throat and grooves.

As time went on, I found myself shooting few full-bore blasters and lots more "low & slow" loads. A couple years back I had Accurate Molds make me a 286 grain plain base mould for the caliber. In recent months I picked up an older Lyman #366408, a Loverin design that has done well in my rifle with some samples I tried in 2003 right after getting the rifle.
 

Dinny

New Member
The 348 Win is a favorite of mine! I got Hornady checks from MidwayUSA and see they're in stock for $43.99. PowderValley, Graf's or others may have them cheaper. While I only own one 348 mold, a 187gr Lyman, I have bought bullets from the Bull Shop, Montana Bullet Works, and Maplewood Bullets that were all cast very well. The Bull Shop has the best selection available from my research. Good luck and enjoy the venerable old 348 Winchester.

Thanks, Dinny
 

fiver

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I think that 187 mentioned above is for the 351 Winchester, and it uses 348 gas checks.

I'd start out by finding some gas checks, then a 200gr mold with a nose length from the crimp groove to the tip the same length as jacketed bullets so it feeds through the rifle.
the 41 mag has the same problem of the nose not being the proper length and it gets jammed up when feeding most bullets in a lever rifle.
 

Dinny

New Member
The RCBS 348-200-FN is another favorite of mine. I borrowed that mold and cast 100s of bullets with it. I have found a very accurate load using that bullet and Red Dot powder that I can practice with all day long without breaking the bank or my shoulder.

Thanks, Dinny
 

Bill

Active Member
I have a couple of 35 rem molds that cast a bit small anyway, I just run them through a 350 die with the lube grooves full and blast away, they are more accurate than they are in the 35 rem

Bill
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
In the dim & distant past, I had an 1886 Winchester in 33 WCF. This was back when Hornady was still making their 200 grain jacketed flat/softpoints for that caliber. The other half of my shooting with the rifle got done using the RCBS #338-200-FP castings, which I enjoyed mostly for the cost savings.

The rifle was a takedown Featherweight example, though even in my relative youth at the time I would have argued against the accuracy of it FWT labeling. 22" barrel, 1/2 magazine......the magazine tube unscrewed and released the barreled half to be detached with a half-turn/interrupted thread arrangement between the barrel root and action front ring.

In keeping with the inaccurate labeling, the rifle's downrange performance was......lackluster. The j-words at 2100 FPS and the castings at 1600-1700 both patterned at about 3.5"-4.0" at 100 yards. 33 caliber bullets aren't for whacking rats, though. I hunted with the rifle for a couple seasons, and never grassed a deer with it. A collector type at the range I infested saw me shooting it one day, and when I finished I dismounted the barrel to clean it from the breech end. He walked over and said, "Excuse me for asking, but why on earth are you firing such a valuable rifle?"

Me--"Hunting season is over, and wanted to empty out the cases for cast bullets". He looked like he just got gut-punched.

Him--"Would you be interested in selling that rifle?"

Me--"For the right money, sure. I have reloading dies and case-forming set as well." (In reloader-speak--I am SO DONE with this rock around my neck).

Long story made short--the guy OFFERED 2.5X what I had in the kit, and I sold it for that offer. The only interesting rifles are accurate rifles. Have at it, Pilgrim.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
My 2¢ . Accurate is nice , and I may be splitting hairs , but if a rifle , load , sight set etc as an assembly can be relied on to deliver X group at the point of aim every time at a given range isn't that enough ?

Don't get me wrong I like my lever guns both the PCC and the 45-70 but I also accepted that outside of the 99 , BLR and maybe a couple of other oddities they are 3-5" hundred yard guns (when weird bullet behavior doesn't interfere) . A $1500 value 98' custom I'd expect more from , even an Enfield or Siamese Mauser (in 45-70 or cousins) .
Most of us can't shoot field groups smaller than that anyway .



Now I'm off out in the weeds .......... Carry on , nothing to see here .
 

fiver

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I dunno I have a few 92's that print 2" groups on a regular basis [at 100yds] with what I'd call useful hunting ammo.
2"s sound large, but that is 5-44/45 caliber bullets all but touching each other, I wouldn't say that is a big group when you consider the hole size against 5-30 or 5-22 caliber holes.[take 5 cartridges and hold them in your hand and measure across the base]
in the same pattern the smaller bullet just shrunk the group size about 3/4's of an inch due to the outside of the holes being closer together, so which one actually shot the better group?

4-5"s isn't what I'd call good, 2-3 is more what I expect from a decent lever rifle with some work behind it.
 

CZ93X62

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I like leverguns. A LOT. I am not a perfectionist nor am I insistent upon gilt-edge 1/2 MOA from a k-boy rifle, but if I was going to invest a bunch of time and money in creating ammo for a rifle--I would like at worst 3" at 100 yards. That was my thinking 30 years ago, anyway. And forming 33 WCF from 45/70 brass was work--and time--and expense. Now retired, I might feel differently. Gotta wonder, though--what did a 33 WCF provide to a hunter that a 35 Remington/Marlin 336 or my Win 94 in 38/55 doesn't offer?

I have 2 leverguns that approach (but don't quite beat) 1 MOA. Both are Marlins, in 22 LR and 30/30 WCF. Most of the rest are reliable 2 MOA tools, and one (the Win '73 in 44/40 WCF) is a 3 MOA shooter on its best days. And that's OK, it isn't a 300 yard deer harvester.

ETA--Let's just say that I got really bored and wanted to do something irresponsible with a spare Marlin 1895 action. I think the 348 Winchester would be an excellent caliber to chamber a new barrel in. 200 grains at 2500 FPS is a meaningful increase over 35 Rem and 38/55.
 
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Islanderflyer

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Thanks for all the helpful discussion. As far as accuracy goes, I would be satisfied with 4 moa cast groups. Its not like I will be relying on them for a 300 yard elk slayer. Mostly just want a fun plinking load to shoot the steel plates or paper ar 100 yards. Now to find an appropriate mold, from what I have found they aren't exactly growing on trees.
 

JWFilips

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Don't Mean to change the subject but what was the old 35 Winchester chambered for? I always wondered ( it looks like a Moose)
 

CZ93X62

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Thanks for all the helpful discussion. As far as accuracy goes, I would be satisfied with 4 moa cast groups. Its not like I will be relying on them for a 300 yard elk slayer. Mostly just want a fun plinking load to shoot the steel plates or paper ar 100 yards. Now to find an appropriate mold, from what I have found they aren't exactly growing on trees.
I would see what Tom at Accurate Molds can cobble up in the caliber.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
I'd look at the rcbs 200gr mold.
it's like a big 30-30 bullet which is a good levergun design.
 

Islanderflyer

New Member
I would like to find that rcbs mold but new ones have been discontinued. I do have the 35 caliber version and wondering if I could size it down enough to work.
 

fiver

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I don't know 7+/- thou is quite a bit, but since you got it I'd give a handful a go.
I'd look over to Tom's too if he don't have it he could sure whip one up.
 

Bill

Active Member
Mine were not Lino hard, but they slipped right on through with the lube grooves full, it's a lee type and very smooth on the inside .357 to .350.

Bill
 

Islanderflyer

New Member
I bought a Lyman 350447 off that auction site. Now I just need to order up a star die and some gas checks. I think the boolit is supposed to be a 185 grain but I have also seen it referred to as a 200 grain. When I get a chance to cast some I will update and post pictures.