Thumbcocker
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I believe some states require that energy for hunting cartridges.
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L Ross
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Yeah, I figured that. I always wondered how some field warden was gonna figure out what the hell I was shooting. Warden to hunter, "Sir, will you please follow me back to my truck where we can fire your 8x58R Danish Rolling Block at the ballistic pendulum the State has supplied me with?"
I remember seeing a State DNR field warden back in the late 80s on a duck hunt.
RBHarter
West Central AR
It was the minimum legal requirement for big game in Nevada. I spent most of my life there so it's just part of my target standards . There's a lot more flexibility here in AR where there's no vertical tree line top and 300 yd is only a possible shot down a power line cut .
fiver
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i think it was sumthin like that in Utah too,,, and 1500 or 1600 for Elk.
it might have merely been a recommendation back then and not a rule though.
here it's the bow hunt, any weapon season, and in some places a muzzle loader hunt.
they ain't kidding about the muzzle loader part either, they even frown on those glowey stick type sights, but won't ticket you if they come with the gun.
it might have merely been a recommendation back then and not a rule though.
here it's the bow hunt, any weapon season, and in some places a muzzle loader hunt.
they ain't kidding about the muzzle loader part either, they even frown on those glowey stick type sights, but won't ticket you if they come with the gun.
Monochrome
Active Member
some states want 1000# at 100 yards. While some states let you hunt ELK with a damn .25acp
L Ross
Well-Known Member
I see these type of comments frequently about the .25 acp being legal in a variety of States. No one is going to hunt big game with a .25, or a .32,. an .380, or even a .38 spl for that matter. For once some States realized that hunters will make good decisions left to their own devices and they don't need some three piece suited, four eyed, tassel shoe wearing bureaucrat telling them what to do.
Now if only we could talk some sense into them about lead.
"Oh my God the Eagles, Condors, Buzzards are getting lead fragments from gut piles!" Our Eagle population in Wisconsin is flourishing. Most of the Eagle deaths come from distracted drivers hitting them with cars as they eat road carrion. I see no hue and cry to spend money to pick up dead critters alongside our roads and highways. I witnessed a woman with her right hand up to her right ear, bearing down on an Eagle on a dead animal for over a quarter mile. I watched in horror as she never slowed and the Eagle jumped off the critter about 20 ft. before the lady's Tahoe exploded it.
Oh and Loons eat fishing sinkers and jigs. You must stop making your own and purchase expensive Tungsten weights and lures from our dear friends in Communist China and Russia. I might point out their precious wind turbines are slaughtering a lot of birds. Or that cute feral cats kill birds into the millions, but all you get then is a blank look.
Yeehaw, a Sunday rant!
RBHarter
West Central AR
Maine actually calls the 25 ACP out as a minimum cartridge for deer . I think it was Alabama that allows a hafted spear .
I was set straight by a fellow about the state that allows the 38-55 as a straight wall cartridge but not the 375 Win ........ apparently the 375 wasn't a BP loading so it doesn't qualify...... Tassel shoes at work I guess. It's ok to cut a 45-70 case back to 1.8 and load it at 2.55 .
Nevada says a hand gun must be 24 cal with a minimum case length equal to or greater than that of the 44 Rem mag to be use as a primary weapon for big game .
It's not unreasonable really until you take a peek inside the rabbit hole and stuff like the 256 Win mag is a legal primary handgun for Elk , Mt Goat and Big Horn Sheep .
Rifles must be 22 cal or larger center fire with a 2" OAL AND retain 1000 ftlb a 100 yd .... The 223 with a couple of select bullets , powders ,and 24" barrels will make by 5-15 ftlb . The thumb rule for fps loss per inch and the ported barrels of the 90's 1895 Guide Gun with the Rem 300 gr HP in deference loaded 45-70 falls short about 11 ftlb .
The 22-250 and 220 Swift don't make it by as large a margin as you'd think .
PPCs are excluded except as a backup to the primary handgun.
Big game however is more often than not , at least the trophy class, hunted above 8,000 ft across open ground . My first mulie was 350 yd across white granite flagstone in scrub sage about 4" high . Nice 4×4 scored about 110 , skinned , well bled , weighed in 186# . Monster trophies almost out the bottom of the trees and valley field deer do happen . As a rule we zeroed at 200 yd practiced 100,200,300 , and 400 yd with cartridges suited for 4-600# at those ranges . Sometimes it was possible to get closer but they had already been arched and muzzle loaded for 6 weeks.
Enough justification for the extreme rules .
I was set straight by a fellow about the state that allows the 38-55 as a straight wall cartridge but not the 375 Win ........ apparently the 375 wasn't a BP loading so it doesn't qualify...... Tassel shoes at work I guess. It's ok to cut a 45-70 case back to 1.8 and load it at 2.55 .
Nevada says a hand gun must be 24 cal with a minimum case length equal to or greater than that of the 44 Rem mag to be use as a primary weapon for big game .
It's not unreasonable really until you take a peek inside the rabbit hole and stuff like the 256 Win mag is a legal primary handgun for Elk , Mt Goat and Big Horn Sheep .
Rifles must be 22 cal or larger center fire with a 2" OAL AND retain 1000 ftlb a 100 yd .... The 223 with a couple of select bullets , powders ,and 24" barrels will make by 5-15 ftlb . The thumb rule for fps loss per inch and the ported barrels of the 90's 1895 Guide Gun with the Rem 300 gr HP in deference loaded 45-70 falls short about 11 ftlb .
The 22-250 and 220 Swift don't make it by as large a margin as you'd think .
PPCs are excluded except as a backup to the primary handgun.
Big game however is more often than not , at least the trophy class, hunted above 8,000 ft across open ground . My first mulie was 350 yd across white granite flagstone in scrub sage about 4" high . Nice 4×4 scored about 110 , skinned , well bled , weighed in 186# . Monster trophies almost out the bottom of the trees and valley field deer do happen . As a rule we zeroed at 200 yd practiced 100,200,300 , and 400 yd with cartridges suited for 4-600# at those ranges . Sometimes it was possible to get closer but they had already been arched and muzzle loaded for 6 weeks.
Enough justification for the extreme rules .
Michael
Active Member. Uh/What
Ok.... My early years of so called firearms training/education, all pre-internet, whatever that was, entailed reading a far bit of Elmer Keith. Think what you may of his ideas and opinions, but I don't recall reading where he routinely recommended marginal calibers and cartridges just because they were legal somewhere. His fondness for the .333 caliber, (now .338), primarily the the 333OKH, made sense and made an impression and has been my mainstay for 90% of the big game that I have shot. When my wife wanted her own rifle for elk, I stumbled across a 338 Federal. Much to her dismay I shoot it more than she does, and have come to really enjoy it. When it comes to other rounds, she would rather shot it more than a .308.
Shot placement is paramount, but I am human, therefore a little added umph/penetration when needed and for less than ideal angles never hurts. Aside from that, the hell with what the legal minimum is, shoot as much gun as you can handle (within reason) and shoot enough damn gun to get the damn job done right the first time. A good friend's 2 teenage sons are all enamored with a 6mm Rem, 6.5 Creedbleack (sorry just urped in my mouth), and 28 Nosler. I delight in watching their expressions when I refer to these as squirrel rifles. IIRC, is what Elmer Keith would on occasion refer to anything .30 cal and under.
Shot placement is paramount, but I am human, therefore a little added umph/penetration when needed and for less than ideal angles never hurts. Aside from that, the hell with what the legal minimum is, shoot as much gun as you can handle (within reason) and shoot enough damn gun to get the damn job done right the first time. A good friend's 2 teenage sons are all enamored with a 6mm Rem, 6.5 Creedbleack (sorry just urped in my mouth), and 28 Nosler. I delight in watching their expressions when I refer to these as squirrel rifles. IIRC, is what Elmer Keith would on occasion refer to anything .30 cal and under.
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CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
Ah, yes--Consistency, the final refuge of the unimaginative. Consistently confused--consistently conflicted--consistently inconsistent. USE ENOUGH GUN--light tackle fishing stuntwork translates poorly to venues where quarry on 4 legs might bite or claw, and quarry on 2 legs might shoot or stab or hit you with an Easton bat (two such interludes). The Gauge is The Great Persuader. THAT was ENOUGH GUN.
Monochrome
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Looks like a hangover dude, or did you run out of zanax?
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
HA HA HA! ROFLMAO!
I retired from hangovers a decade ago, and avoid racing fuels scrupulously. My current attitude altering supplement is Prednisone, a steroid meant to address some auto-immune ^%&$ making life *interesting* of late. It's trippy at times, but now that the dosages are tapering down I'm transitioning from Lyle Alzaido Mode to about mid-range Dennis Hopper. Great fun.
I retired from hangovers a decade ago, and avoid racing fuels scrupulously. My current attitude altering supplement is Prednisone, a steroid meant to address some auto-immune ^%&$ making life *interesting* of late. It's trippy at times, but now that the dosages are tapering down I'm transitioning from Lyle Alzaido Mode to about mid-range Dennis Hopper. Great fun.
Mitty38
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Creative persons have a tendency to filter their communications. For those not in the same "frequency". Drugs and health issues tend to break down that filter.
Anyhow. What are we talking about about?... Oh, ye...
We have a rule in Ohio that pistol or rifle deer must be taken by no smaller then a .357 projectile. I would rather use a .25 rifle for deer then a .38 special. But close enough either would work if used properly.
40sw with a 5 inch barrel would take down anything that breaths In Ohio.
Anyhow. What are we talking about about?... Oh, ye...
We have a rule in Ohio that pistol or rifle deer must be taken by no smaller then a .357 projectile. I would rather use a .25 rifle for deer then a .38 special. But close enough either would work if used properly.
40sw with a 5 inch barrel would take down anything that breaths In Ohio.
I was here for the '70s and '80s. I've never had much use for the posturings of drug addicts, be they a small-town tweaker or a Hollywood "artiste". Even as a child it was clear to me that many, if not most, pro athletes seemed to be using "something", so I never developed an interest. As a result, I miss lots of pop-culture references.
Monochrome
Active Member
they called him the juice for a reason
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
True that. Even from an idiot we can discern what NOT TO DO.